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Let the Debates Begin: Pasch and Darling to Square Off

Candidates in 8th Senate District recall race have scheduled a series of public appearances to debate and discuss the issues in the Aug. 9 primary.

There may have been whether Sen. Alberta Darling (R-River Hills) and Rep. Sandy Pasch (D-Whitefish Bay) would meet face-to-face and debate before the Aug. 9 recall election in Wisconsin 8th Senate District.

But those doubts appear to have been laid to rest.

Both Darling and Pasch are preparing to go toe-to-toe in two forums and appear separately at two Milwaukee Press Club luncheons over the next three weeks.

The Pasch campaign has accused Darling of being afraid to debate, and has criticized her for turning down numerous invitations to do so.

Coming up on Sunday, Pasch and Darling will debate at 9 a.m. on "UPFRONT" with WISN-TV’s Mike Gousha. The two candidates will actually be in the studio Saturday to film the debate.

On Aug. 1 and Aug. 2 Pasch and Darling will stop by the Milwaukee Press Club on separate days, with Pasch visiting Aug. 1. Both will be the featured newsmakers at the  luncheon, and will field questions from reporters and the audience.

On Aug. 3, both candidates will attend an invitation-only forum sponsored by the at the Radisson Hotel. Although there are two face-to-face meetings now scheduled, Pasch’s campaign says that’s not enough.

“We’ve been trying to get this done and get the two of them together for weeks now,” said Pasch campaign manager Dave Kreisman. “We asked Senator Darling for at least three debates and so far we might have two. I don’t know what she is so afraid of. She’s had 20 years to get her name out there to her constituents and tell them where she stands. I’m kind of confused.”

For example, . Pasch has agreed to participate, but Darling has not.

Darling campaign manager Andrew Davis said the decision to decline invitations to debate is based on the campaign's strategy and not fear. Davis said Darling’s focus in the next few weeks will be to reach out to her constituents in person.

“If we were to have accepted every single debate invitation, that’s all we would have been doing over the next few weeks,” Davis said. “It’s customary for the challenger to want to commit to more debates. But we feel our time is better spent meeting with constituents.”

Davis said the differences between the two candidates are well known. Additionally, Davis said the state budget, which has become the key issue in the election, was a approved through an open public process. Davis said Darling’s position on issues surrounding the budget is clear.

“People know the all the tough decisions that were made. We’re not ducking down because we are afraid to debate Sandy,” Davis said. “The whole time we knew they would go head-to-head at some point before the election.”

Kreisman said Pasch is ready to face Darling any time.

“We are excited for the opportunity to show a clear contrast between Pasch and Darling,” he said. “Sandy has a record that she is proud of. “She’s ready. She has been ready from day one.”

The prosser-cuter July 24, 2011 at 04:45 PM
Lyle, the point is that it was the democrats who stole from the victims fund, and the democrats who reneged on the reciprocity deal. Walker would not have had to repay those funds if it wasn't for the sleezy shenanigans of Doyle and Pasch!
Rooster July 24, 2011 at 05:44 PM
"The people who are whole-heartedly against this are Democrats. Those supporting it are Republicans. It's an easy choice for me as to who to support. If you were interested in seeing this state succeed, you'd be supporting them too." Not really sure how I misinterpreted that, it seems pretty clear to me. It's a clear "you're with us or you're with the enemy" mentality. So either you didn't clearly enough convey what you were thinking, or you are attempting to backtrack on what you said.
Lyle Ruble July 24, 2011 at 05:50 PM
@The prosser-cuter...If you call it stealing then was it stealing when Thompson raided the Employees' Trust Fund?
Rooster July 24, 2011 at 05:51 PM
That occurred in 2007. Pasch didn't take office until 2008. Like I said, research and think about what you're saying before unflinchingly repeating what Charlie Sykes and his ilk are saying.
Beth Gregg July 24, 2011 at 05:54 PM
@Bob, maybe you should re-read your posts, because I hear the same things that Rooster is hearing. And so do alot of other folks.
Bob McBride July 24, 2011 at 06:06 PM
Beth, Who are these "a lot" of folks you purport to speak for?
Bob McBride July 24, 2011 at 06:19 PM
It's pretty clear, Rooster. I'm saying that if you want this state to succeed, you should support what Walker and the Republicans are doing. You want to personalize it, as in if you don't support them, someone is accusing you of of wanting the state to fail. It's not about you. It's about what will work best going forward.
Lyle Ruble July 24, 2011 at 06:54 PM
@Bob McBride II...Bob, I would be willing to back off of Walker if he would be transparent about his plans on privatization. My concern is not for my personal situation, since my wife's position is one that has already been ruled off limits because of the federal lawsuit agreement. You seem to advocate that those who have had to perform in the business community are somehow qualified to make decisions about things that they have absolutely no expertise in. They will attempt to judge things by the standards of which they know. Example: People schooled in business accounting will look at things through the eyes of an accountant. Sales will look through the eyes of sales, etc. the smart executive creates a competent team of varying disciplines and not all that will agree with him or her. Walker has surrounded himself with people committed to libertarian ideology who support the principles that large government is an evil thing restricting personal freedom and individuality. Too often libertarian ideologues will throw out everything based on their overriding commitment to a preconceived notion of how things are better when private. Not good judges.
Bob McBride July 24, 2011 at 07:17 PM
Lyle, I think you're buying into concerns about some master plan that you believe is driving everything Walker is doing. This is why I don't really get concerned about designations like liberal, conservative, libertarian, socialist, fascist or whatever. If you limit yourself to that and then, on top of that, assume that when one acknowledges having read something or followed the teachings of someone in the past, their beliefs and all actions they will take going forward are cast in stone, you do end up fearing stuff you probably shouldn't. I know you don't see it this way, but this line of thinking is really not that much different than that of the birthers, or those who worry about Saul Alinsky (however that's spelled) or George Soros or any of that. In both cases, the assumption is that there's an automaton or Manchurian candidate in office, taking direction from some Dr. Evil somewhere, or a hard, fast philosophy that the person over whom concern is being expressed adheres to over everything else. And as much time is put into that kind of thinking and theorizing, it really is an overly simplistic way of looking at things. There are functions performed by government that could be done more efficiently by outsourcing them. I mentioned an example of one I had personal experience with in another comments section. Likewise, there are benefits that can be accrued by applying some sound business practices to the way government agencies do things. Even....
Bob McBride July 24, 2011 at 07:26 PM
...if its just the little, simple things. If a couple of bucks can be saved here and there by looking at, for instance, expenses, why not do it? Every buck an organization, like the one your wife works for, can save is a buck that might be used to actually help her assist her clients. We'd all like everything fleshed out so we know exactly what's going to happen but, as you know, that's impossible in the real world. Even if Walker were to attempt to lay out each and every possibly contingent action he anticipates taking, you know as well as I do that by the time such a document got published, a good portion of it probably would no longer apply. Nothing is that static. I've had experience, plenty of it, with government agencies on a number of different levels. I've been in the offices watching them operate. There are savings that could be accrued, simply by applying some of kinds of practices businesses in this day and age everywhere have to use simply to keep from buried by low margins. They're not all that drastic, but if there's no incentive from a margin POV to make those changes, then someone has to do so from the position of saving costs because, in the long run, it's the right thing to do. It's got to be done.
Lyle Ruble July 24, 2011 at 08:21 PM
@Bob McBride II...Master plan, dig into ALEC.
Lyle Ruble July 24, 2011 at 08:32 PM
@Bob McBride II...Walker would not have to release on every detail, but to let us the constituency know his overall plan, he owes us that. He didn't let anyone know what he was planning with the public unions. I have always supported strong independent audits. I remember having to push the legislative audit committee back in 2003 to audit the bureau of Milwaukee Child Welfare. Darling was resistant to do it, but the Democrats on the oversight committee pushed it and found some serious issues. Bottom line is that it doesn't matter whether it's a private business or government; in-depth audits are a must.
Bob McBride July 24, 2011 at 08:58 PM
Lyle, I know you guys have now grasped ahold of this ALEC thing, after having gotten as much mileage as possible out of the Koch brothers. It's always something. This is the tact and I didn't really expect you'd ever consider dropping it. And now we're back to that same argument about the unions. If your focus is union-centric, you're going to overplay the importance of the changes instituted by Walker. To the extent that public employee unions inhibit the ability of government bodies to achieve proper cost savings and control the ability to maintain their own budgets, agreements with them and provisions that allow them to do so need to be modified. That's what Walker has done. He hasn't outlawed them. He hasn't completely neutered them. As was recently demonstrated in the city of Milwaukee, they still have the power to exercise their ability to not cooperate with the MPS administration and not preserve a couple hundred jobs if they so choose.
Lyle Ruble July 24, 2011 at 09:25 PM
@Bob McBride II... Bob, Alec is something real and you should not discount its influence. You do so at your own peril. We both know that Walker and the Republican legislature move on the unions was to defund the unions and prevent the unions from funding the Democrats. Everything that the Republicans have done to date is to neuter the opposition. This will benefit the Republicans, the wealthy and corporate interests for decades to come.
Bob McBride July 24, 2011 at 10:01 PM
Sorry, Lyle, not buying it. This is the 3rd or 4th thing I've been warned about by those on the left which was going to be the end of civilization as we know it or have us end up in a police state or leave us subservient to some evil foreign interest. Why you guys always insist on going this route is beyond me. I guess because to some extent it works with people for whom it's much easier to accept that there's an evil plot designed to ruin their lives than it is to think things through. And yes, no doubt, just as your side seeks to limit what you see as too much influence on the part of "corporatists" and the rich, I'm sure no one in the Republican party would bemoan the loss of some power on the part of unions to influence the Democrats.
Lyle Ruble July 24, 2011 at 10:31 PM
@Bob McBride II... Bob, It's not foreign interests, they're home grown. It's too bad you seem to want to discount organizations that are interested in controlling the political process; thus protecting their wealth and position regardless how it impacts the majority of citizens. Look at the damage that's being done with Congress locked up over the debt ceiling limit. This is the work of the right wing ideologues. If this track continues your going to suffer also.
Bob McBride July 25, 2011 at 12:17 AM
"It's not foreign interests, they're home grown. It's too bad you seem to want to discount organizations that are interested in controlling the political process; thus protecting their wealth and position regardless how it impacts the majority of citizens." **************** Lyle, that particular phrase could be used to describe public employee unions as far as I"m concerned. That's the point. It's all perspective. I'll be happy to discuss this further at some later date if you want (assuming we're not at loggerheads here), but at the moment I'm in the process of prepping for a colonoscopy tomorrow. So I gotta go, literally. On the upside, if you think I'm full of you-know-what, I'm becoming less full of it by the minute. Later.
The prosser-cuter July 25, 2011 at 12:20 AM
Here is an excelllent breakdown of the additional 1.7 billion in spending that Sandy and her friends wanted to tack on to the recently passed state budget. Another reason to not let the dems near the checkbook. http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/07/analysis-of-budget-amendments-wisc-assembly-democrats-would-have-added-1-7-billion-in-spending-created-1-4-billion-deficit/
Lyle Ruble July 25, 2011 at 12:45 AM
@Bob McBride II... Bob, good luck with the procedure. Been there and done that. Getting ready for it is worse than the procedure. I'll talk to you later.
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:03 AM
Was that the Darling that I saw on all of her campaign literature?
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:08 AM
Now really Berta, no serious debater uses phrases like DOYLE/PASCH in everything they say. Talk about disingenuous talking points. Try looking at your opponent Berta. So how much coaching did you need? How about a real picture of you in your campaign literature? The one you're using is a fake.
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:10 AM
Now Prosser- Ugly- the Maciver institute? Might as well put up an ALEC link.
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:14 AM
So Berta - you had nothing to do with the redistricting and you voted yes on it. No questions about it Berta? You'll let the courts decide? You trust the courts? I suppose you do if it went to The Prosser court.
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:22 AM
No kidding Lyle- walking hand in hand with the political sociopath Walker down ALEC BOULEVARD must have been a challenging exercise and questionable one for Alberta.
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:32 AM
So the real Alberta finally showed up to debate Pasch with the conservative hand holder Mike Gousha. AW- Berta felt comfortable? Too bad Gousha didn't let JK go at Prosser like he allowed Pasch to tear apart Berta. I sensed MG was feeling a little uncomfortable. 30 minutes MG? That wasn't nearly enough time to rip into Darling though the remaining rip online was just as pleasurable.
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:35 AM
Prosserugly- such a fine retort. Where did you refine your blogging skills?
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:36 AM
Very good Andrew.
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:39 AM
I suspect they are actors. The Darling camp is desperate. They will resort to anything.
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:40 AM
Prosserugly- you wouldn't recognize a real teacher from a fake one. Just look at Darling with the fake picture.
LEFTY July 25, 2011 at 01:42 AM
Patriot- vote for the real candidate with the real picture. CHECK Pasch-

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