2 Men Fight In Street Over Fourth of July Parade Spot

Two men were cited for disorderly conduct after fighting in the street over a spot for the Menomonee Falls Fourth of July parade.

The fireworks started a day early for two parade-goers, who got in a scuffle in the middle of Appleton Avenue Tuesday during the annual "Land Grab" for the best spots in the Menomonee Falls Fourth of July parade. 

Just minutes after police gave the crowd the go-ahead to stake out their spots along the Independence Day parade route, two men got into a heated dispute about a particular plot of land in the median near Homestead Drive. 

The conflict was caught on camera by Falls Cable AccessThey mounted a small camera onto a remote-controlled helicopter to get the shot. 

According to a Menomonee Falls Police Department report: 

It all started at roughly 6:40 p.m. when one of the parade-goers confronted an officer demanding they be allowed to stake out a large area for the parade. The subject told the officer they deserved a large area because they had been camped out along the roadway since 4 p.m., and had been watching the festivities from that particular spot for 15 years. 

The officer told the subject to wait until 7 p.m. like everyone else - despite their veteran land-grabbing status. 

The subject didn't like that response. 

The person then challenged the officer, and asked how much a citation would be if they simply walked out and staked out the spot before everyone else. The subject was advised to conduct themselves in an orderly manner, and set a good example for the children. 

However, when the staking started, the veteran land-grabber saw another person staking out his traditional spot. He then pulled out the stakes and threw them onto Appleton Avenue. 

At about that time, an officer suddenly heard three women screaming, and saw three men in the middle of the road. As one of the men tried to get up, he started coming toward the officer, and was taken down. 

At several points in a conversation with police, one of the men repeatedly interjected by saying, "How stupid...for a parade." An officer could detect the mild smell of alcohol on one of the men. 

Both men were issued citations for disorderly conduct. 

Dave Hoople July 04, 2013 at 12:49 PM
yes there is agenda, where is the missing footage? story says man got up and came at officer but you deleted it from clip. so vid shows 2 men laying on ground both looking guilty. smh you are a sad man especially for deleting my other post defending the man for standing his ground.
Dave Hoople July 04, 2013 at 12:58 PM
<-- born and raised in the falls. the non drunk man lives directly behind my grandmas house. he is a wrestling coach and a man of honor who was attacked and then given a citation for defending himself. your vid could prove he is Innocent of disorderly conduct correct? but you edited it to give the story some flare not thinking someone would actually know what was happening. point is if you are gonna report a story report the WHOLE story.
Dreamcatcher July 04, 2013 at 02:34 PM
Why was my Post deleted? All I said was I agreed with Melissa and that we don't bother with the parade anymore because of the hassle of getting a spot and why don't they expand the route to go around Ben Franklin and end in the back of the high school. Don't see anything written to get deleted.
Mike July 04, 2013 at 04:06 PM
I was at the site where this all took place. First, the gentlemen was not drunk at all. Second, he had been waiting since 3 pm to get he spot he wanted in the median. I know since I got there at 3:30 and he was already there. Third, the man on the other side of the street showed up at 6:30, the gentlemman who was there at 3pm told the other man he was there since 3 and didn't think it was fair that he just showed up and was going to take that spot. The man said he would fight him for the spot, he did and he lost. I think there is another issue here, fairness to those people who show up ealy for these spots only to have them taken away or reduced in size because some one else shows up later. I would suggest that if you want to sit in the median you need to line up on the far side of the street. If you are the near side of the street where the parade is that is where you stay. This would eliminate people running from both sides for the "land grab" unless this is a new sport. It would also eliminate any issues like this and shouting matches which I was also witness too.
FCAC July 04, 2013 at 07:00 PM
To confirm what the editor was saying, the complete video was shot to show the rush of people onto the median strip. We have taken those shots before from street level and then used them in the broadcast of the parade the next day. When the camera was pointing SE down Appleton the yelling came from behind the camera. A quick spin to NW gave the few seconds Carl posted. There was another camera man at street level but he did not shoot any of the video because he knew I wouldn't use it in the parade promo. The copter camera then continued shooting SE. Only after the copter wasn't a distraction did it turn back NW. There is no missing footage and in Carl's defense I believe he is quoting from the police report. FCAC was not interested in the incident and only shared it on request.
Luke Langer July 04, 2013 at 11:06 PM
The spots located on school property should be auctioned off...and the money given to the kids through the Scholarship Committee or Booster Club, or to another worthwhile group like the Optimist Club. They'd be well within their rights and I think it would be a great solution!
FCAC July 05, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Additionally, both original video's include time code, which show their continuity and the fact they are raw. The camera does not have the ability to zoom in, it is enlarged digitally. An iPhone would give the same picture quality.
Carl Engelking July 05, 2013 at 02:22 AM
I havent deleted anything. And despite your prognosis, I am a happy man. I mean, you are doing a disfavor by further identifying the person involved.
Carl Engelking July 05, 2013 at 02:24 AM
Like I said, I have the raw video, if you want the disc I will give it to you. There's not much deeper subtext to read into on this one, I assure you.
Steve ® July 05, 2013 at 03:18 AM
Go Pro > iPhone
Bob July 05, 2013 at 08:08 AM
The sense of entitlement runs rapid in Menomonee Falls, WI. This is a prime example!
FCAC July 05, 2013 at 10:06 AM
"GoPro>iPhone." Not in this case. By the way, in the request from the police department and the Patch, they assured me that we were under no obligation to provide our footage and that identities would not be listed as the video does not provide any clue as to who started what. This is no different than someone shooting phone video of an incident. We also received requests from WISN-TV and I was told WITI-TV ran the clip. (maybe part of Patch partnership)
MFalls Girl July 05, 2013 at 11:37 AM
I can't believe people are so ignorant. GO watch it on TV much better view.
Becca Beanz July 05, 2013 at 11:57 AM
I knew it would come to this sooner or later. Grown men fighting over something that should be accessible to children first.... these people who have to stake out 40 spots....it's ridiculous. People waiting for 12 hours just to get a certain spot. These people have ruined the parade for the rest of us. This was the first year in all my life my family didn't attend this parade because of the ridiculous land grabbing, etc. And I have alot of friends who do not attend anymore either. I hope the village puts a stop to this practice and follows Wauwatosa's lead where you can only save a spot 2 hours prior to the parade.
Louise July 05, 2013 at 01:32 PM
Life is pretty sad if you're that concerned about getting a good spot to watch some silly parade. Grow up people.
Mike B July 05, 2013 at 01:39 PM
The cities are the ones to blame. By specifying a specific time that everyone has to go rush and try to grab some grass to sit, they're just begging for things like this to happen. They should simply treat it just like Black Friday. Camp out as early as you want but you lose your place if you're not there to keep it. They can have the cops or public works people do a drive by every night and throw away anything they find left without a body there watching it.
MFalls Girl July 05, 2013 at 01:43 PM
i don't know what the solution would be. The memorial day parade never has those problems Maybe they should change the route to Main street like the Memorial day parade. It's a longer route and more room for people to observe
Lisa m July 05, 2013 at 09:27 PM
I found it super sad to see MF on the 10 pm news over this. I am with Becca - This practice has ruined the parade for us too. I am not from here and have lived many places.. Parades are normal in the rest of the country. There is no staking out large areas with police tape?? NO waiting to stake a claim 12 hrs in advance. I was dumb founded when I attended the parade last yr to watch my son march in his first parade. Image my sadness along with my Sr citizen parents from out of state when we arrived 1-2 hrs early to find not one seat available along the entire route. My husband had to call us when they were getting close so we could walk down to the parade area from our far away seats behind all the nonsense tape and stakes just see him and snap a picture. I love the idea of auctioning off spots, let a charity benefit from this all this craziness.
Linda B July 05, 2013 at 09:36 PM
I agree Lisa - being a fairly recent transplant to the area I've had the same reaction
J Ro July 06, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Who needs 40 spots in the first place? We also stopped going to the parade last year after several decades since many from outside the village were land-grabbing every piece of green for their precious 40 spots. I like the Tosa idea, but even better, how about selling (or auctioning off) permits to reserve spots before the parade to 1) help pay for the 3 parades we have (so the taxpayers do not have to fund as much as they do for parades) and 2) to help various local charities where there is always a need. I mean if someone wants to 'save' 40 or even 1000 spots, they should pay for it. Also this would also help define the size of a spot and cut down on how trashy Appleton Ave looks on July 2. Furthermore, Falls residents should have priority over non-residents for our parade- that is first choice for any spot and pay less (if any fees are involved) for any reserved spots than non-residents would.
Incredulous1 July 06, 2013 at 09:41 AM
Typical entitlement mentality on display for all to see. They also believe in shoving ideological down the throats of others during late-night secret sessions and punishing anybody that isn't just like them. Their families must be proud.
FCAC July 06, 2013 at 03:37 PM
To end the discussion on edited footage you can find the entire 6 minutes of video at Falls Cable Access streaming site http://fallscable-wi.pegcentral.com/index.php
FCAC July 06, 2013 at 03:39 PM
Falls Cable Access, streaming video on demand button will take you to unedited file of pre-parade footage. Raw footage
Brian Sippel July 09, 2013 at 06:10 PM
Wow, all the drone comments are gone? Agenda? Why did u invade these persons privacy? And who gave u permission to tape this? I'd sue the crap out if you for your homemade "drone" seriously, get a life. Now that you sold the footage to the news.
Mike B July 09, 2013 at 06:30 PM
Nothing illegal about video taping in public. Don't want ot be taped, stay inside and shut the curtains.
FCAC July 09, 2013 at 06:35 PM
Not that it deserves a response... Not private when you are in the middle of the street, We did have permission to tape and checked all Village ordinances. The footage was B-Roll for the parade intro. The man taping was an unpaid volunteer and it was his camera. The only thing that would be considered liable would be the accusation that footage was sold. Make sure you stay clear of peoples cell phones because they can provide better footage in seconds. Please provide anything you have to substantiate the payment. Never even spoke to WISN as they got footage from Patch through their community partnership.
DL July 09, 2013 at 11:30 PM
Here's what I find disturbing Carl....we as a society rely on the media to bring us accurate and reliable details with what is going on in our community, our state, our nation and the world. This story you wrote IS NOT accurate and completely misleading. I know because I was there. For those of you disgusted at what happened, I would like to know what you would do after waiting for 3 hours for a spot, just let 'em have it? Not go? The "out of towner"...who claimed to not be a "good old Falls boy" didn't want to deal and it was clear he wanted that spot and was willing to "fight" for it. A discussion was had with a police officer on duty AND with a police aide - neither chose to speak with the late comer until the two were in the middle of Appleton Ave. I think much of this could be avoided by extending the parade route and if i had to auction for a spot...my days of attending the parade and festivities would come to a quick halt. Lastly for those of you who find 40 spots grossly exaggerated...this was for multiple households, all of whom were having a get together and Becca...it was for the children...
Brian Sippel July 10, 2013 at 06:04 PM
villiage ordinances, what about state law, what about federal law...... pretty sure you are good to go, but did you get the consent of those people that were fighting? i think there is a fine line here..
Amy July 10, 2013 at 06:44 PM
One person should not be allowed to rope off an area for 40 people, that's ridiculous! We live right off Appleton and we make it a point to be out of town over the 4th because of all the commotion on Appleton. I like the rule in Wauwatosa where you are allowed to come out and get your spot 2 hours before the parade. That leaves us with only 1 day of chaos instead of 2
Gregory Kluck July 15, 2013 at 05:51 PM
The city should just rent parcels that one can claim for their use on that day, just like a spot in a park. Doesn't have to be expensive, just enough to cover costs of forms and such. You display your permit at the location and enjoy the parade. Others on here are right about other cities. I lived in Santa Barbara for eight years and that city has several parades through the year. Only people who get dibs on a spot are the people who live at that spot. Everyone else just finds a vacant area and sits there an hour or so before parade time.


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