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We Are All Socialists Now

The Supreme Court bungling of the Obamacare decision leaves the 2012 elections as the last slim hope for our nation.

Welcome to the United Socialist States of America.

This line may premature but we are on an almost unstoppable path to a European style Socialist system. As bad as that system is failing across Europe, it will be worse for us. Our system will be worse as Obamacare’s method to force transition to Government run healthcare will cause more economic and budgeting problems than a single payer healthcare system would.

The focus of this blog could be on how we are living in post-constitutional America, but for that I would recommend Ameritopia by Mark Levin. At this point my focus is on the more urgent matter, our last hope to save the nation, the 2012 elections.

First we must repeal Obamacare. Failure to repeal would doom the country to a fiscal collapse like much of Europe is facing, maybe not immediately, but within 15 years. In the short term failure to repeal will mean continued suppression of the economy and job growth. I would be concerned about the lower quality of healthcare we will have, but that does not seem to matter since we will likely be ruined financially before that happens.

The task is monumental and this next election is the last chance. We must get rid of Obama. We then need GOP control of the House & Senate. Then we will need 7-10 Democrats who care more about the future of the country than setting up a permanent power structure for their party to rule over the decline of the nation.

The task is urgent because within about 5 years likely 50% of employers will dump their employees into the exchanges and by then the private non-employer based insurance will be closing down as healthy people are paying the ”Tax” instead of buying insurance.

The Democrats will propose a Government option to fill the gap. With more than half of the employed people losing their insurance, Democrats will have the support to get it done then. At that point we become Europe were we can’t see how we can survive without Government run health care. Failure to repeal means by 2016 or 2020 at the latest the Democrats will be openly socialists instead of denying their true colors. The GOP will be like Democrats used to be. Obama will have kept his promise to “Fundamentally Transform America”.  

We have slim shot to save this nation, but we must try. The only thing evil needs to succeed, is for good men to stand by and do nothing. The Supreme Court decision on Obamacare makes getting rid of Obama and finding 60 Senators supporting repeal the only hope we have left as a nation.

James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 05:15 pm
@Taoist -
You didn't explain in your last diatribe how throwing tons of public monies into places that you admit are undesirable to live in is at all an effective or efficient use of those public funds. I'm still waiting for the explanation on your hypocritical inconsistency…
Taoist Crocodile July 3, 2012 at 05:19 pm
Oh, I don't think it requires any explanation. I don't see any point in, for example, paying to send lake Michigan water to Waukesha. The watershed for one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world is a few miles away, and you decide to build your McMansion in a swamp? Don't expect the rest of us to squander our precious resources on you; drink your radon and STFU.
James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 05:24 pm
@Taoist -
Republican policies got us here? That's funny - I could have sworn that it was Clinton who signed NAFTA and gave China preferred nation status. He was a Democrat, wasn't he? And that guy in the White House now, he's a Democrat also, isn't he? Didn't he promise us that stimulus, health care, etc, or in other words Democratic policies, would drop unemployment below 8%? It's been over 3 years since all that, but the unemployment rate is still above 8%. So, what gives? The last time we saw something similar was under Democrat Jimmy Carter. And what happened after Reagan took over the show? Unemployment decreased to near 'full' employment levels, didn't it? Looks like history is working against you on this point, doesn't it? Try again!
Randy1949 July 3, 2012 at 05:28 pm
Taoist -- I live in Waukesha county and like Hoffa am still on a well. We've been here for sixty years and didn't have much control over what kind of expansion happened around us. It would have been standing in the way of 'progress' you know. I really wish the McMansions had been built somewhere else, but the depleted water table affects my well too.
Taoist Crocodile July 3, 2012 at 05:36 pm
Hoffa,
Do you even understand what point you're trying to make anymore? This recession started under Bush Jr., and the economy tanked right before he dished it off to Obama. Bush also slashed revenue and started 2 wars, exploding the deficit. These are facts; we all lived through that nightmare. And let me say it for you - "There you go again, blaming Bush..." Yes, because Bush and the Republican zeal for deregulation TORCHED this economy, and the "temporary" tax cuts (originally designed to give back Clinton's surplus, instead of pay down the debt) have exploded the debt. Seriously; do you really think that Democrats are such dramatically better leaders than Republicans, that they should have cleaned up the entire mess in less than 4 years? In the face of an unprecedented temper tantrum from Congressional Republicans? That's what I hear when you claim "This is Obama's economy." You're seriously crying about the President not cutting unemployment by a few percentage points, when your guy nearly brought down the global economy? Do you have any idea how disconnected from reality that makes you sound?
James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 05:39 pm
@Taoist -
"Oh, I don't think it requires any explanation. I don't see any point in, for example, paying to send lake Michigan water to Waukesha. The watershed for one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world is a few miles away, and you decide to build your McMansion in a swamp? Don't expect the rest of us to squander our precious resources on you; drink your radon and STFU." The burden to pay for the project upon which you're referencing is limited to the taxpayers that will be benefiting from it - not the collective as a whole as you erroneously purport it to be. So, what's wrong for the people that made such decisions to be ultimately paying for those decisions exactly? It's called taking personal responsibility for one's actions. And for the record, Hoffa doesn't live in Waukesha County. Hoffa's well water is more than brilliant. Again, it would appear that you're a huge advocate of Soviet style urban residential living. Well, enjoy your communal high-rise - just don't expect the taxpayers to subsidize it! Meanwhile, I'll enjoy my clean air, clean chemical free water, no grid lock, no noise, crime free, relatively inexpensive, peaceful and serene lifestyle! Cheers!
James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 05:48 pm
BTW -
The property values of those so-called McMansions in Waukesha County suggest that it is a very desirable place to live, according to your logic, correct? So wouldn't it make sense to invest public resources in such desirable places to live? Again, you still haven't explained why you advocate investing so many public resources into such undesirable places to live such as many neighborhoods in the City of Milwaukee, City of Racine, etc? Why invest so many public dollars into such undesirable places to live? This seems highly illogical and an inefficient and ineffective use of the public treasure, doesn't it?
Chris July 3, 2012 at 05:54 pm
Let's all be up front and honest. Of course there are going to be "death" panels. It's even okay to admit it. Individuals and families have taken the cowards way out of being the correct "death" panel, and put it into a third parties control. If it's not the family, or the insurance company (the families payment proxy), it's going to be the govt. Somebody has to make the decision that care is just not appropriate or affordable at some stage. As horrible, and heartless as this sounds, it's a necessary evil.
Since individuals have given up the responsibility of paying, they lose the right to decide. It's a trade off that one should expect when you, as an individual, give away your responsibilities, others will make decision for you. It should be a given...and not just in end of life decisions. You can't afford to feed your children, you should not get to decide what they eat. Can't afford gas/electric, your thermostat should be controlled by others. Can't afford rent, where you live should be decided by others..
James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 06:06 pm
@Taoist -
When did I ever defend Bush? Bush wasn't the greatest, but he wasn't the worst either. If Bush's deregulation, wars, and tax breaks are what truly caused our situation, as you suggest, then why didn't Obama just re-regulate everything, end the wars, and stop the tax breaks, just as he promised he would do during his campaign? After all, he could have easily done all of those things when the great Democratic Party controlled the House, Senate, and White House. Then, the economy would have been fixed, right? And you wouldn't have been able to blame an obstructionist Republican House. But Obama didn't do that - why? Looks like Obama's a traitor to the Democratic cause if what you're saying is all to be believed, right? So, who's your candidate in 2012 exactly, as it can't be Obama, right? To ignore Clinton's hand in the current state or our economy is a huge error and fatal flaw in your analysis. What Clinton did was 100 times worse than anything that GW Bush did. But keep on denying it and listening to the propaganda espoused over on the Daily Kos, while enjoying your life in the communal high-rise. Hoffa prefers to enjoy as much FREEDOM as he can when he has it / while it lasts.
James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 06:17 pm
@Taoist -
I believe my points are clear and come to the inevitable conclusion that you are hypocritical, inconsistent, can't defend your points with reality, and have no idea what you're talking about. Have fun watching Ed Schultz tonight!
Taoist Crocodile July 3, 2012 at 06:18 pm
Hoffa,
You're really all over the map with this one; try to think in a straight line. My point is, and has always been, that it makes sense for citizens to pay for those public goods that they expect and receive, and that a high property tax bill typically corresponds to a higher level of service delivery and higher, or more stable, property values. You're the one making the case that individuals are better off without the corrupting influence of public goods and services, and I won't pretend to understand your "reasoning." I brought up the issue of Waukesha needing Milwaukee water because I think it's hilarious that this conservative enclave of big crappy houses is built on a swamp, and their water is poisonous, and now they want to tap into the region's most valuable natural resource in order to prop up their fake and unsustainable lifestyles. Hilarious.
James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 06:20 pm
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it." - Tommy Lee Jones, Men in Black (1997)
The Anti-Alinsky July 3, 2012 at 06:26 pm
Croc wrote: "Johnny, I'm going to stop beating up on you. ..."
Translation: You are making too many good points so I need to get out of here with the appearance of a victory.
James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 06:30 pm
@Taoist -
How am I all over the map exactly? You're clearly outmatched by a superior intellect and can't handle the truth. The Daily Kos was wrong - so instead of crying over how you've been deceived by false propaganda and rhetoric, just give it up already!
The Anti-Alinsky July 3, 2012 at 06:32 pm
Bren, you think your 6,000 went straight to the board of Director's pocketbooks?
150 of it went to pay for those two doctors visits you made last year. 30 of it went towards 1/500th my father's heart surgery. 25 of it paid for 1/10000th of a very expensive chemotherapy treatment. 100 if it paid for 1/10th of an emergency room visit for a broken leg. Hopefully your getting the idea!
The Anti-Alinsky July 3, 2012 at 06:44 pm
Croc wrote: "This recession started under Bush Jr., and the economy tanked right before he dished it off to Obama..."
That was four years ago, Obama ran as the educated, enlightened leader with all the answers and all the promises. Four years later our unemployment is still above 8% (possible up to 14%), foreclosures are still happening at alarming rates, and we spending even more beyond our means. Bush is gone, get over it!!!
Taoist Crocodile July 3, 2012 at 06:55 pm
Hoffa,
Outmatched by a superior intellect...? I'm sorry, but I don't give any Republicans credit for intelligence. Yours is the party that has a bone to pick with science, and that can't seem to get its head around the fact that the President is a US citizen. A basic sign of intelligence is following the facts and evidence where they lead, even when that takes you someplace uncomfortable. I have yet to meet the Republican who can digest the fact that our health care system is a failure, without lapsing into hyper-patriotism and xenophobia. I have yet to meet the Republican who has serious problems with the fact that the GOP can't elect leaders who believe in global warming or human evolution. Intelligence? The manipulative rhetoric that's packaged and sold by Rush, Hannity, Levin and the rest gets parroted by the uncritical mind of the committed right-winger. So many examples... "Death Panels." Sarah Palin! Birthers! Yes, I'll say it. I respect a lot of things about the conservative worldview, but this "get in line, never say a bad word about the GOP" stuff is just sickening. People of intelligence, and integrity, would never hang in there with a party that commits so many heinous acts of intellectual vandalism. Anyone who's still calling themselves a Republican in 2012, and isn't getting paid for it, gets no credit for intelligence from me.
Taoist Crocodile July 3, 2012 at 07:01 pm
Yeah, but he spelled it right.
James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 07:24 pm
@Taoist -
So typical - when you find yourself on the losing side of a debate, just launch into a liberal elitist anti- conservative / Republican rant and hope that no one notices. Yep, the Daily Kos crowd must be proud of you all right - you've perfected the strategy down to an art form. Good for you.
Taoist Crocodile July 3, 2012 at 07:32 pm
Huffer, so typical - you refuse to own up to your disgraceful coddling of the lunatics in your midst ("Johnny Blade," for example), drop the words "elitist liberal" and "Daily Kos," buck yourself up in the third person and rev up the propaganda mill. You're a caricature, but not the one you think.
James R Hoffa July 3, 2012 at 07:40 pm
@Taoist -
Really, thanks for the big laugh! You must be more from the Comedy Central persuasion than the MSNBC persuasion. Although, I'm willing to bet that Current TV and RT are your preferred news networks and you probably have a copy of Pravda delivered to the communal high-rise daily.
Frasko Debonios July 4, 2012 at 07:20 pm
Read this link....pick the system you want. Then work towards it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/models.html
Bryant Divelbiss July 4, 2012 at 07:43 pm
This article fails to see the big picture that eliminating denial for pre existing conditions, mandating an extraordinary expensive plan,with smaller penalty for not buying will lead to healthy people ouside of employer based insurance not getting insurance, then rates spiral upwards until insurance companies just give up. It is designed to screw things up o the point a government option will be needed and supported,leading to eventual takeover by government. We can't manage to reform current failing entitlements, this new one will be even worse to control once we are all on it.
Bryant Divelbiss July 4, 2012 at 07:56 pm
I call it what it is. It is a plan to painfully push us to single payer government healthcare. They do not even have clue how to pay for the plan they have now with the ridiculously low estimates of numbers of employers that will drop coverage. It is a plan that steals $500 billion from Medicare. If successful leaves us with no support to seriously deal with our financial issues. It dooms the country to fiscal crisis, so the left can rule over the decline and force a soft tyranny.
Bren July 4, 2012 at 08:37 pm
Anti, you are now defending a "middleman?" Isn't a direct supply chain better for business? That's what I learned, with very few exceptions. Health insurance is a perfect example of the middleman as parasite.
It will be very interesting to see how the 80/20 law shakes out. We shall see what the actual profit margin is. Most of us have to deal with office co-pays, out-of-pocket, deductibles and the dreaded U&C (Usual and Customary) charges in addition to our premium payments. (U&C is what the insurance company will pay based on what they call a regional and/or national average of pricing--their call. The doctor charges what he likes and the patient must pay the difference). Anti, last year my doctor visits weren't covered because my deductible wasn't met (my company had very high rates last year because of multiple major illnesses over the past three years--everybody paid more). And those visits were $250 each, not $75 as you estimate. Coding tricks by medical clinics and declination as a standard practice of insurance companies (stall/evasion) keeps patients getting poor value for money paid and the volume of negotiation at the entry-level. Profits are very high indeed. Yes, it will be interesting to see the insurance companies scrabble to explain themselves when 80/20 comes into effect. I worked for a major health insurance carrier for a number of years, Anti. Hopefully you're getting the idea?
The Anti-Alinsky July 4, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Jay, I have yet to hear a way of adding pre-existing coverage to health insurance that is fair to everyone. I am sure there is a way, just haven't heard it or thought of it. I am not willing to pass the burden of some onto everyone, especially, as you brought up, people that made the choices that led to their current condition.
Ann July 4, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Anti - hope you never get cancer - I got melanoma - less than 1cm - I am now uninsurable - do you even know how insurance premiums are set? The larger the risk pool the less it costs for EVERYONE. Hope any of your loved ones never get sick - sounds like you would kick them to the curb.
Ann July 4, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Great response - if we don't have mortgage insurance we lose the mortgage on our house, if we don't have care insurance we pay a fine/tax. Get over it. You don't want health insurance - then don't go to the doctors, hospitals or pharmacy - stay at home and suffer. You can't have it both ways.
The Anti-Alinsky July 5, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Actually Ann, the larger the risk pool also means more people that have pre-existing conditions. Again, the problem is that the cost of an expensive treatment is passed on to EVERYONE in the pool. Insurance companies have the choice of raising EVERYONE'S insurance to cover the problem, or taking the higher risks out of the pool.
As I have said before, I have faith that there is a way that is fair for everyone to insure people with high risks and pre-existing conditions, I just have yet to hear it!
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