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Recalls Benefited the GOP, But We Still Need to Reform Election Laws

Walker's victory is great for the state, but the events of last 15 months highlight the need for more election law reform.

As I reflect on the result of the recall elections several key topics come to mind of what to write about. 

Should this blog be about how President Obama cares only about himself, so much so that he would not help the unions or Tom Barrett, since it would stain him with the loss?  

I could write how the majority of the state has spoken, and they agree with Scott Walker in ending the tyranny of public employee unions. I could have chose to write how this election shows when the public knows the issue and see’s the results of Walkers reforms that the money spent on commercials changed nothing.

I have actually chosen something else, as the issues listed here should be clear to all and require no further action. What does need action is our election laws. This election highlighted the urgent need to reform the recall procedure in order to stop abuse of this option as well as the need to end same day voter registration.

This process has eliminated any argument that Walker’s reforms are unpopular or went too far, which is positive for this state. The cost of proving this has been uncertainty about the future direction for last 15 months and a public sick of constant elections. Democrats refused to care about the needs of Wisconsin beyond their special interest master, public employee unions during this time.

I have heard two ideas for reform, the first being to limit recalls for only misconduct in office. The second idea is to change the constitution to require as petition signatures equal to the number of votes the candidate you want to recall got in the last election.  I think the latter is the best choice or do both.

Allowing signatures equal to 25% of the votes cast means only the base of the opposing party has to feel a recall is warranted.  It is like when I was a kid and we argued about the result of a football play so we decided to have a “do over”. But a “do over” back then did not cost millions of dollars. In addition we want people to have courage to make tough decisions. This is easier if legislators know they have time for voters to see the results.

If we look at the election results we see only three recalls resulted in a change of party, and two of those occurred last year before they had a chance to see the results of the reforms in action. Of those only Dan Kapanke dropped more than 5%, having a 6.4% drop in votes received from 51.4%to 45%. 

The other losers lost less than 3% of the vote and both lost close races in districts they barely won in their last election. Many of the candidates won with more than 55% of the vote.

From the Senate races it is clear that only Dan Kapanke had a significant enough drop in support that indicated that the recall may have been justified. In seats that tend to have close races it is tempting to call for a “do over” encouraging recalls with these low thresholds to meet.

If we change the constitution to require the same number of signatures as votes the candidate to be recalled received in the last election, it will mean parties would need more than just their own base to complete a successful recall effort, they will need many of the independent voters to agree that a recall is justified.

The governor election probably best highlights that the current standard of 25% is ridiculously low. Democrats collected about 901,000 signatures which is still only 80% of the votes cast for Walker in 2010, without serious challenges to the vast amounts of clearly fraudulent signatures. Because this election is a rematch it is easy to do a fair comparison with the 2010 election. Walker won this election with more votes and a larger margin of victory. This clearly shows the recall wasted millions of taxpayer money needlessly.

Clearly none of the recalls against the Democrats were justified as they all won and the highest percent of signatures compared to votes cast in past election was 44%. Although despite the fact it is clearly acceptable to voters in these districts to have Senators that refuse to do their job, this is still disruptive to running the state and not fair to the citizens of other districts to allow them to stop progress.

I think the fix for this is not recalls, instead either allowing the governor to replace Legislators that refuse to show after 3 weeks or eliminate the need for more than half to be present to vote on financial bills.

The second thing we need is to eliminate Same Day voter registration, even if we have to comply with motor voter laws. This will help ensure integrity of elections, it is better for people who would need to worry about losing their jobs to be responsible for determining if people have appropriate evidence of their address and are eligible voters, than to have volunteers on election day handle this obligation.

Not only does this encourage fraud, but it creates unnecessary delays to the voting process. This election should have been quick with only two offices in most areas, but it takes longer to fill out forms to register voters. Maybe this could eliminate the need to have people voting in Milwaukee hours after the polls closed. If people are too lazy to register at least the week before the election they are too lazy to vote.

Both parties should be able to work to reform the recall procedures to benefit the whole state. Now that the recalls are done it is time to correct this issue.  I suggest these changes knowing that the Recall’s were good politically for my side.

We do not need a new election just because a politicians popularity drops slightly in a evenly split district. If change is needed that why we have regular elections. I understand the Democrats will likely resist ending same day voter registration because it is key to their fraud operations. But I would call on both parties to do the right thing and make that change also.

A few reasonable changes can prevent a minority from frustrating the will of voters, even if the minority is obnoxious and loud. These changes can prevent the instability, and the cost brought by the temper tantrum thrown by the left.

Bewildered June 10, 2012 at 12:53 am
Lyle, what's with the publishing of work info? What good does that do ?
Lyle Ruble June 10, 2012 at 01:06 am
@Bewildered...To give some context about his anti-labor rhetoric.
Bryant Divelbiss June 10, 2012 at 01:24 am
If there is no fraud the Democrats would not fight every minor attempt, Like voter ID to ensure elections are honest.
Bryant Divelbiss June 10, 2012 at 01:35 am
Another problem is that it took an 1.5 hours part the polls closing in some areas to get through lines. A large part of that is filling out voter registration forms. Considering this election was just two offices in most areas, no way should the delays been that long for people trying to vote. I suspect most of that could have been avoided by having people register prior to the election.Another part of that is running out of ballots and the registration forms which would be easier to predict if people were registered before election day. That's how it relates to the recall election.
Lyle Ruble June 10, 2012 at 01:38 am
@Bryant Divelbiss...Faulty reasoning and circular.
Bryant Divelbiss June 10, 2012 at 01:43 am
I could accept removing from the constitution. Also, The 45% number might be enough considering none of these recalls made that threshold before challenges by the candidates.
Bryant Divelbiss June 10, 2012 at 01:54 am
I am not arguing that what they did was not behavior that justifies removing them from office, but their voters did not agree and the recall failed to deal with that issue. The only thing that prevents this is the complete failure in the end of the tactic to the point of Walker getting more of what he wanted. However my point is that it is unfair to the rest of the state to allow them to do that just because their voters support it. That is why I suggested requiring only a majority of the Senate for financial bills.
Bryant Divelbiss June 10, 2012 at 02:06 am
Walker did not challenge the signatures as he knew there were enough to meet the 25% criteria and he was better off to not delay, so the Governor Recall would be at the same time as the State Senators. Third parties had reported finding many issue but it does not matter with the 25% target.
Bryant Divelbiss June 10, 2012 at 02:17 am
Electoral success or little change in vote % means not enough or very many people felt whatever the issues was, to be important enough to vote them out. If we are to allow recalls it should be more than just the dedicated opposition that wants the Recall it should have support of most of the independents, clearly in all but Kapankes recall very few people changed their mind after the Walker reforms were in place, from the last election. If our recall system is rational it should be uncommon have a recall were the person being recalled survives.
Jay Sykes June 10, 2012 at 02:31 am
@Geoff Tolley.... I recalled last seeing the required 8.5% model return, I was not aware it had been changed. With a lower ROI the regular employer/employee contributions would have been increased or payouts reduced, unless they exceed the required ROI. Do you know what the 1,2,3,5,10 year average returns have been?
FYI: AWD is correct that the taxes do fund the WRS. Compensation, deferred or not, it's all tax dollars. He did not broach the 'ownership' question and say that the fund is the property of state/taxpayer.
James R Hoffa June 10, 2012 at 02:56 am
@Mr. Tolley -
Please forgive Hoffa's omission of appropriately laying the foundation of my previous post. I had no idea that we had become so technical here on Patch - especially concerning a topic that has been previously discussed in full, specific, and exacting detail when such events originally occurred and were reported upon. When I stated "saw nearly 20% of its signatures tossed," I meant in the context of "saw nearly 20% of its signatures tossed from the certified total" which is a factually accurate statement given the FACT that 23,712 signatures were originally submitted by the recall committee, but only 19,142 were actually certified as being valid by the Board, thus representing the tossing of 4,570 signatures, approximately 19.3% or nearly 1 in every 5 signatures collected, from the certified total. No other recall petition presented during this current round of recalls had such a high margin of signatures withheld from the certified total. Not to mention the FACT that an individual was arrested and is currently being prosecuted for having submitted fraudulent signatures in attempting to further the efforts of such recall. The assertion of the timing component in my original statement should have been limited solely to the Walker petition, and for that, I stand corrected.
James R Hoffa June 10, 2012 at 03:08 am
@Mr. Tolley -
You're excluding the importance of the TVM from your assessment. While 28% today may not strike you as being "obviously excessive," when you consider that most of those investments have an average shelf life of 7-12 years before being fully realized, the exposed liability in terms of today's dollars, should such investments default, is compounded and could disrupt the long term liquidity and solvency of the fund. But yes, as both you and Lyle have pointed out, if governments were to start to default on their liabilities, we would indeed have a much larger problem on our hands than the liquidity and solvency of the pension fund, a point that I never disputed in the first place. However, the threat of such occurring in our modern world has also never been so real as it is today - Greece for starters. And when big ships start to sink, faith can become a very fragile thing!
Greg June 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm
The problem with the current recall process, as I see it, is the recallers don't have a dog in the fight. In the case of the Governor's recall attempt, the left is really no worse off now than they were prior to the recall. But if the Governor's term were to be extended to a full term, from the date of the election, the recallers may have taken a second look at their options. A dog in the fight can change everything and it probably would have.
Randy1949 June 10, 2012 at 03:22 pm
@red -- for malfeasance we have impeachment. Recall is for elected officials who overstep their 'mandate' and ignore almost half of the people they were elected to represent. In plain English, you can't lie your way into office and then have four years to do whatever you want.
Wisconsin's 25% of the electorate in the previous election is one of the most stringent in the nation.
Jeff Christensen June 11, 2012 at 04:51 pm
This is exactly the approach which will further divide our electorate and disengage the voting public.
Wisconsin has a recall process and its in place for a very specific reason: if you act in an extreme manner, you'll have to face the will of your constituents. If you take away the rights of workers, don't be surprised if you are placed on a ballot. If you take away a hunter's gun, don't be surprised if you are placed on a ballot. A recall election in Wisconsin is about the redress of grievances. This state has a process for malfeance or law-breaking; the impeachment process. The two are different courses. The recall is essentially more democracy and more voice for the residents of this state. Same day registration is again more democracy. The easier we make it for citizens to participate in elections, the more people will vote. There is a correlation and we should be proud of it. In fact, we should look to expand it; not suppress it. In Wisconsin, the recall bar is quite high at 25% and the registration requirements for voting are reasonable. Even though the party I support didn't win on Tuesday, I accept those results...and more importantly the process that produced those results. I'm not afraid of our democracy, in fact I encourage more people to get involved.
Steve ® June 11, 2012 at 04:54 pm
Collective bargaining for public employees was NOT a right and who took what away from a hunter?
Jeff Christensen June 11, 2012 at 05:01 pm
Nobody took away rights from a hunter, it was a theorectical statement. But don't you think if our legislature passed such a bill; there would be heck to pay at home & rightfully so?
Greg June 11, 2012 at 05:02 pm
Jeff, Fortunately you hold what I would guess is a minority opinion. I think the people of this state will back any changes to the recall laws. If you want more democracy, let's make everyone's term one year.
Greg June 11, 2012 at 05:05 pm
So basically Jeff wants every action put to referendum?
Jeff Christensen June 11, 2012 at 05:08 pm
@Greg - When did I say that about referendums?
This is part of the problem with our political environment; everyone is eager to score points and nobody is listening.
Greg June 11, 2012 at 05:11 pm
You seem to be a proponent of referendum by recall.
"But don't you think if our legislature passed such a bill; there would be heck to pay at home & rightfully so?"
Greg June 11, 2012 at 05:12 pm
"This is part of the problem with our political environment; everyone is eager to score points and nobody is listening."
Not everyone!
Jeff Christensen June 11, 2012 at 05:24 pm
Thanks for asking Greg, I'll try to answer as best as I can.
What I mean is that if an elected official acts in an extreme fashion, they shouldn't be surprised when their constituents use their constitutional rights. There is nothing wrong with our elected officials knowing that they have to answer to "we the people" when they represent us.
Greg June 11, 2012 at 05:34 pm
And that is why we have elections.
Bryant Divelbiss June 12, 2012 at 01:56 am
Lyle my views on Public Employee Unions come from last few years as I started to view the magnitude of the disaster they are for states both is cost and quality of services. My views do not represent my employer.
Beth June 12, 2012 at 02:27 am
WOW is all I can say - the comments have strayed so far from the question! Amazing! BOTH sides of the argument need to stick to the point for all the other information being given is lost in the static.
Lyle Ruble June 12, 2012 at 02:58 am
@Bryant Divelbiss.... You haven't a clue about public service workers. My wife is a good example. She is a child protection social worker and has to deal with the worst of the worst situations. She does a job that most people wouldn't want to do and very few could do it. She has more education and training than you do and earns probably 1/2 as much. She doesn't do the job for the money, but she is dedicated to helping children at risk. For the work she does what respect does she get from people like you, none. She has been scapegoated and demonized just because she works for a government agency. She wasn't at any of the demonstrations because she was working. She hasn't had a pay raise in over six years and the last one was a whopping 1%. If you want to walk a mile in her shoes then you'll find out that your stereotyping is unwarranted.
As extreme and emotive as your blogs have been and you coming out against unions, if you employer knew what you were up to, then they might not be too pleased. Even one of the people you work with called you out about your attitude and treatment of union members at work.
Greg June 12, 2012 at 03:00 am
And by pointing this out you contributed to the topic how?
The Anti-Alinsky June 12, 2012 at 09:32 am
Lyle, GOD bless your wife for the work and dedications she does. I have a good friend that does similiar work, and she to is one of the shining stars of pubic sector employees.
I don't know why social workers are getting the shaft when it comes to pay. However, the vast majority (that I know of) make extremely good money and have great benefits. It is because of the emphasis placed on these workers that resulted in less pay for your wife.
Steve ® June 12, 2012 at 01:00 pm
I like turtles

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