Occupy Wall Street: Nothing More Than Bumper Sticker Thought

Can the Occupy Wall Street movement do for the left what the Tea Party has done for the right? I don't think so.

I want to make some observations regarding the Tea Party Movement and the Occupy Wall Street Protest. 

First, it is hard to determine what public policy changes the Occupy Wall Street crowd wants. I see many experts claiming they are fighting for their cause, but based on interviews these experts seem questionable. Jesse Watters, from Fox News interviewed several people in the OWS crowd, and they made it clear they want to end capitalism. However, they were unwilling or unable to suggest a better alternative. 

Several others said things like stopping corporations from focusing on profit, legalizing marijuana, providing jobs now, ending wars, even more wealth redistribution, and forgive student loans.  I think we can sum it up best by stating this group wants to end capitalism and eliminate perceived injustices from that system.

If we were crazy enough to do what it appears these protesters want, it would destroy the country and provide misery for all. Years ago, I heard a quote on capitalism that applies here, “Capitalism is a terrible economic system, but it is the best one man has ever devised.”  Capitalism does allow for many rich people, but it also creates more opportunity for all than any other system. Demonizing profits and attacking corporations is counterproductive to fixing unemployment. 

Profits should be thought of as a good thing. If this country is not going to be a good place to make profits, it will not be a good place to create jobs.  Also, most of the middle class like me, needs our 401K to grow in order to retire someday, and profitable companies are a key to achieving that in 401Ks and pension funds.  I do not think the Occupy Wall Street crowd will be a political force pushing the current extreme bunch in the Democratic Party further left, as much I think that would be good for the GOP.

Can this new movement do anything meaningful long term to effect public policy? It is unlikely, since their ideas and behavior are not acceptable to the mainstream. Instead, they will hurt any candidate they support outside of solid Democratic districts.

We can compare this to the clear goals of the Tea Party which wants fiscal responsibility and a return to constitutional principles. The Tea Party may represent the other extreme, but the main demands of the Tea Party would be supported by the majority.  Being on the extreme side of fiscal responsibility is not near as dangerous as the extreme irresponsibility proposed by the OWS movement.

Tea Party policy implemented over a reasonable period would be good for the country. For example, plans like Paul Ryan's budget or the "Cut, Cap and Balance Plan,” are the only ideas proposed by either party to avoid a major fiscal disaster.  The Tea Party has already shown success at the ballot box in pushing for candidates supporting their views. The Tea party helped put a conservative majority in the house.

However, the Tea Party did have failures in some Senate races with bad candidates, but the message was sent - RHINOS beware.  The Tea Party it is the opposite of greed, although I wonder if some don’t realize that fixing the federal government will not be as painless as the fixes for Wisconsin budget issues.

I think it is safe to say that this OWS crowd represents the extreme left and not the majority of America, despite their claims of representing the 99 percent.   This movement plays on the greed of people who want a shortcut by taking money from others to solve their own problems.  One protester naively stated, “If the rich were willing to share we could all live in prosperity.”  The richest 10% right now pay 75 percent of income taxes while they earn 39 percent of the income, so we already have a redistributive tax code. We can’t redistribute wealth to get prosperity for all or even solve any of our issues. The OWS group has lot young people short on common sense.  The OWS group is supported by American Nazi’s, Communist Party USA, and other socialist groups.

It is very interesting to compare coverage of both groups. The media was constantly worried the Tea Party would breed violence despite no evidence of any issue. The media attacked the Tea Party as racist, dangerous, and made fun of the Tea Party.  Let’s compare this to the cheerleading for the Occupy Wall Street crowd.  Brian Williams announced. “While it goes by the official name ‘Occupy Wall Street,’ it has spread steadily and far beyond Wall Street, and it could well turn out to be the protest of this current era.”   

In most coverage there is little mention of the anti-capitalist goals of OWS or communist/socialist support for OWS. As always they try to downplay the actual violence or bad behavior that usually is associated with recent left-wing protests.

I have not been to a “Tea Party” event, but I did attend the 8/28 rally in Washington D.C. I met many people who were supportive of the Tea Party. From my experience, the people I met were of many professions and were intelligent on the issues.  I have seen some videos of others that were not very well informed, but overall, the people I talked to were there because of conservative convictions and supported a more responsible fiscal policy. I also noticed how well behaved the crowd of 300,000 to 600,000 people was.

I walked back to where the event was held only hours later and I did not see litter or trash except piled by trash cans. Compare this to the OWS people disrupting traffic, defecating on cop cars, littering in the park and refusing to leave and let the city clean and control the situation.

The interviews with the Wall Street crowd show no signs of any more than bumper sticker thought, but then these people were mostly much younger than the Tea Party people who seemed to be over 35 years old in age. I heard on the Mark Levin show, the substitute host pointed out there is hope for many of the OWS crowd to become wiser when they get older. Like we always hear “If you are not a Liberal at 20 people think you don’t have a heart, and if you are not conservative by 40 you don’t have a brain.”

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Steve October 18, 2011 at 10:04 PM
Pretty simple, they want socialism. They want things handed to them from Papa Obama and assume they do not have to work hard themselves for it. They learned it in college read about it on Huffingtonpost and saw it on MSNBC, so it must be the best way.
Steve October 18, 2011 at 10:05 PM
lol, silly consumers. I see they support big banner, clothing, and shoe as well.
Lyle Ruble October 18, 2011 at 10:44 PM
@Bryant Divelbiss...As usual you completely miss the point. The OWC is an expression of frustration with the rigged economic system. It is not isolated to only NYC but is beginning to spread around the world. Just like the anti-war movement in the 1960s and 1970s it took a while to jell and this will be the same. What is really needed is a review and modification of financial regulation and break the complicity between government regulators and those that they are charged to regulate. This is not hard to understand. It is only another symptom of a dysfunctional system, just as the original Tea Bag Movement that morphed into the Tea Party. The OWC is completely unorganized. It is my hope that it doesn't get co-opted by the extreme left power brokers like the Tea Party has been co-opted by the extreme right power brokers.
Bryant Divelbiss October 19, 2011 at 03:05 AM
The Anti-war protests had a point unlike this movement. The Tea Party opposed runaway spending like Obamacare.
Barbara Barnes October 19, 2011 at 01:38 PM
I have been to a TEA Party rally and was among some of the nicest folks around. These are not professional protesters. They want less taxes and smaller government. I was also in Madison and saw a lot of hateful signs. No Obama haters but the anti-TEA was hateful to Gov. Walker.
Plow Boy October 19, 2011 at 08:00 PM
The Tea Party has been around a long time. In the 1980’s their agenda was similar to the Patriot organization that Erwin Shiff was promoting around the country. They were against big government, elimination of federal government in education or anything the US Constitution did not allow the Federal Government to do. The rest was left to the states. Even back then they were against income tax because they thought it was illegal for the government to levy a tax on income. The parties left the view of the mainstream public eye. Now they have recruited some powerful politicians and are ramping up their viewpoints to get their agenda to move forward. May be this is why so many people are delinquent with their income taxes.
Bryant Divelbiss October 20, 2011 at 12:53 AM
Interesting poll shows how little the OWS people know; 84% do not know what the Dodd-Frank Act is, 68% do not know what the SEC is, and 90% did not know what the top marginal rate is.
Lyle Ruble October 20, 2011 at 01:19 AM
@Bryant Divelbiss...So what's your point? You wouldn't believe how many people don't have a clue, especially on the right and the Tea Party.
Bryant Divelbiss October 20, 2011 at 02:16 AM
Point is simple these people have dangerous ideas with little knowledge of what they are talking about.
Lyle Ruble October 20, 2011 at 02:30 AM
@Bryant Divelbiss...What's so dangerous about their ideas.? What risk do they pose and to whom?
Bryant Divelbiss October 21, 2011 at 12:33 AM
Lyle, Many of them want to end Capitalism presumably to replace with Marxism or Socialism that would provide misery for all but elites. Some want to forgive $550 Billion in student loans an speed up this fiscal disaster.Suggesting just provide Jobs now destructive and Marxist. Demonizing profits and corporations is counter productive to job growth. Anti-Capitalist, anti-american ideas are dangerous if it were to spread to more than just the insane left. These are the kind of people that will be like the protesters in Greece when we do the right thing here. Fortunately these people will be ignored by reasonalbe people meaning they ae not so dangerous I guess.
Bryant Divelbiss October 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM
Lyle I am not sure if this was ever not run by Far Left groups like Moveon.org. http://online.wsj.com/article/wonder_land.html
Lyle Ruble October 21, 2011 at 12:54 AM
@Bryant Divelbiss... Bryant, As a side note, it was announced yesterday that school loans just topped $1 trillion. Back in the day when people were protesting the "establishment", they were all over the place. You had socialists, Marxists, communists, anarchists, etc. Nothing brought them all together until the focus was placed on the war. this will be the same thing. I think that if anything is going to unify the group will be financial reform where regulations are seriously taken apart and put back together again. Corporation regulations will come under the same scrutinization. this will be good for both the right and the left. Hopefully it will also lead to tax reform and cut the loopholes out of the current tax codes for individuals and businesses. I also want to see more transparency in government and new restrictions on lobbying. Meaningful term limits also make sense. If the OWS can put enough pressure on for these things to occur, then it will be meaningful.
Lyle Ruble October 21, 2011 at 01:01 AM
@Bryant Divelbiss...Moveon.org is not behind this and never has been. This is a true grassroots movement closely connected with the Arab Spring and other international movements. I think I read that the original organizing meeting took place in May with a bunch of internationalists present. Moveon and the other left wing organizations are attempting to co-opt the movement and want to use them as political pawns. Same with the Democratic Party's attempts to take it over. The OWS members that I know are not oriented to any one political party. They just want to see the system changed to where the plutocracy and oligarchs are held accountable.
Steve October 21, 2011 at 01:50 PM
I vote (w/my photo ID) for Michale Moore to lead this well thought out revolutionary group. Together they can make a happier planet.
Lyle Ruble October 25, 2011 at 11:59 AM
@Nate...I don't see your relevance to Bryant's article. The OWS is not aligned with any political party. Therefore, the source of Obama's campaign funds doesn't mean anything to the movement.
Lyle Ruble October 26, 2011 at 10:27 PM
@Nate...LOL, Leave it to Fox News to put together such a report. Acorn of all groups? I don't think I'll be losing any sleep over this. Keep digging though, it's good entertainment.
Lyle Ruble October 27, 2011 at 10:15 PM
@Nate...I don't know and neither do you whether or not what ACORN is doing is illegal or not. All I can see is that they among other organizations are raising money to help support the movement. You automatically equate ACORN with fraud and that's what Fox is counting on to discredit the OWS. I don't watch talking heads from any network. They are all providing biased views and people that watch them already support their views. I prefer to get my knowledge through reading and independent research. I do listen to NPR and WPR. Almost everyday I tune in Charlie Sykes, Jeff Wagner and Mark Belling just to see what the conservatives are talking about.
Bryant Divelbiss November 07, 2011 at 01:13 AM
I think we can all agree OWS vs Tea Party is Evil (OWS) vs good (Tea Party). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl2KU8Yi5cw&feature=youtu.be
Lyle Ruble November 07, 2011 at 01:39 AM
@Bryant Divelbiss...You have a strange way of framing issues. I would like to debate the concept of good and evil with you. What constitutes evil and what constitutes good?


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