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Pasch, Darling State Their Cases in Final Debate

The two candidates reinforced their fundamental differences between each other during their final debate before Tuesday's election.

 

In their second and final face-to-face meeting before Tuesday’s recall election, Republican Alberta Darling and Democrat Sandy Pasch clashed on the usual issues that have surfaced during the campaign – health care, education, budget cuts and more.

But challenger Pasch also used the forum in Menomonee Falls to accuse the incumbent of no longer listening to the concerns of the  constituents of 8th Senate District, a claim Darling strongly denied.

Related: See video of forum

“This election is about the 30,000 people who signed a petition saying Darling has stopped listening,” Pasch said at the event, hosted by the Menomonee Falls Rotary Club. “Our state has become incredibly divided. The priorities Darling has talked about don't reflect the priorities of the people of Wisconsin."

At one time, Darling was considered at moderate, Pasch said, but she has moved so far to the right that "Republicans say they no longer recognize her.”

Darling countered by repeatedly citing the outcome of the 2010 elections as solid evidence that she was indeed listening to her constituents. Republicans flipped both houses of the state Legislature and the governor’s mansion in November.

Darling said those results made it clear that voters wanted her and other lawmakers to balance the state budget without placing the burden on taxpayers.

“I have kept my promises to voters, even though it required a lot of tough choices. I did that, and for that I am being recalled,” Darling said. “People have supported me in this district for a long time. I’m a fighter. I stand up for taxpayers.”

Darling said for the first time in more than a decade Wisconsin is in the black, and Republicans have helped erase a $3.8 billion deficit statewide. That was the promise she made to taxpayers when she was last elected in 2008.

Still, Pasch criticized Darling for supporting the sweeping cuts included in the controversial budget repair bill and 2011-13 state budget. Pasch said the changes made by Republicans divided residents at a time when Wisconsin needs to come together.

Pasch said touted her ability to engage in an open dialogue and work cooperatively to accomplish what was needed in the state.

“The way to grow the state is to bring everyone together and don't leave people behind,” said Pasch referring to seniors and students who she said were most affected by the budget cuts.

Pasch, a state representative from Whitefish Bay, said she has opened her office for sit-down meetings with constituents and held open meetings to hear their concerns – something she claimed Darling has failed to do.

But Darling said that during the height of the heated debate over the budget repair bill, she was advised not to hold town hall meetings out of concerns for her safety.

Darling said she received death threats and needed security during public appearances, which limited her openness with constituents.

During Wednesday’s forum, the two also addressed controversies surrounding the campaign. 

On Tuesday, One Wisconsin Now! filed a lawsuit alleging that Darling failed to fulfill an open records requests that were made on June 8. The group requested any communications Darling had with private school voucher groups that receive state funding.

Darling said the issue has been taken care of, and the issue was an unintentional mistake.

“We have sent both records request back to them,” Darling said. “I have to tell you that my office is going to hear about that one because we routinely answer those requests as soon as possible.”

Pasch has also fallen under the microscope after the Republican Party of Wisconsin filed a complaint with the Government Accountability Board regarding possible collusion between her and Citizen Action of Wisconsin, a special-interest group that is actively supporting her and other Democrats.

Although Pasch has sat on the board of the organization since February, she said she has not had any contact with Citizen Action. Pasch said it’s a diversion tactic from Darling, who Pasch claims is worried about losing the election.

“They’re trying to throw barbs, and that’s what they are doing. It’s a baseless accusation. I’ve had no contact with them,” Pasch said. “I’ve had no contact with them about anything related to this campaign.”

Related Topics: 8th Senate District, Alberta Darling, Sandy Pasch, Wisconsin State Legislature, and recall election

Steve

2:58 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Cat fight. Did they have their nails checked before by the moderator?

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John Parkes

3:04 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Pasch answered the questions and will represent the voters of district 8. Darling simply repeated the Walker talking points for corporate interests.

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carolo

1:18 am on Friday, August 5, 2011

To me, she acted frustrated, nervous and kept repeating herself. Perhaps she is unable to talk for herself without Walker there telling her what to say and do.

jbw

3:48 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Since the last two elections have seen very narrow margins there are of course enough voters with one party to start the recall process against the other party in every case. It certainly does not prove that the incumbents failed to represent their constituents in this case or in any of the other recalls, making the whole exercise highly questionable.

Darling had the choice of either standing by her decisions supported by the majority who elected her, or professing a sudden change of heart to try to placate the people who voted against her. She chose to remain strong and I can't really fault her for that choice.

Will we be subjected to recall elections against every eligible incumbent every year now, in the hopes that a narrow margin loss can be flipped with extra campaign spending? What a waste!

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David Keup

3:59 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

None of these debates do anything for me, because I believe that all the recall elections are a sham. None of the issues that brought on the recalls are worthy of recalling a state legislator, unless it was a felony/criminal or immoral. Let these politicians carry out there terms, and if the voters want to vote them out at the next election period..then let them. The same for Gov. Scott Walker. I think these recall elections are a waste of taxpayer money.

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Aldo Raine

4:43 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

There doesn't have to be any wrong doing to have a recall, just enough people feeling that they are warranted.

They are damned hard to pull off, and if that many are pissed off about Walker's over reaching you have to admit there is something going on here, where you agree with it or not.

JBW, this is what's called buyers' remorse. A lot of people felt they have seen enough and they don't want Walker and the Fitzs to go any furhter. What's so hard to understand about that?

Any one who believes in our system of government should be in favor of more democracy, not less of it. This is certainly a case of more democracy.

These people were elected to create jobs and if they would have stuck to it, they might have come away unscathed. But it is obvious to a lot of people that there is an agenda at work that has nothing to do with jobs. And despite what the GOP will tell you, just about nothing Walker has done so far has had an effect in enabling the generating jobs, because the budget has only been in effect for a little over a month.

Nobody hires anybody just because they feel good about the governor.

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Steve

4:48 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

David- Pretty much why most other states do not allow these types of recalls. Emotion can wait for the next general election.

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carolo

1:28 am on Friday, August 5, 2011

But how many jobs and how much can be ruined in one Governors term with all that is being done? Are you, as a Wisconsin citizen, willing to sit back and watch the State go right down the tubes by a bunch of radicals or do you take hold of the reins and try to stop the madness?

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Morninmist Same

5:34 am on Friday, August 5, 2011

I think it is immoral not to assist the people in the state who need it. Cutting Badger Care is immoral-that is what Darling did. She tried to cut the states Senior care Also but there was an uproar so Walker and his puppets like Darling had a change of heart.

The prosser-cuter

4:41 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

My guess is that Sandy still did not have a plan for the future, or did not state what she would have done to balance our budget!

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voltaire

5:08 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

I'm sorry Wisconsin taxpayers are having to pay for a recall election because some voters (and I'm sure they're the ones who didn't vote for Alberta in the first place) have decided to try to bully their way into office, aided and abetted by groups outside the state. Recalls, if used at all, should only be for egregious behaviour -- criminal or immoral -- as I think David Kaupp cited above.

Alberta had to make tough choices and these will be painful times for everyone. I sure don't hear people whining about Cuomo (different standards for the left of course. The Republicans are willing to make unpopular choices now for the long term good of the state and the country. The lack of jobs in Wisconsin is directly attributable to Doyle and Pasch will continue on that same path.

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Lyle Ruble

5:31 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

@voltaire...You know the lack of jobs in Wisconsin is independent of anything that the Democrats did. The jobs started leaving as early as the 1980s and have continued right up to the present. Wisconsin is no different than any of the other rust belt states except for Iowa that have added industry and jobs. The problem with economics is that it is a system that is organistic, impossible to predict and even tougher to control.

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Steve

9:38 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

So why are the jobs coming back after the democrats are out? WI had a historic low unemployment rate of 3% in 2000. In 2010 it was 7.5%.

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Aldo Raine

6:34 am on Thursday, August 4, 2011

That's called a recession Steve. Happened all over the Midwest.

Let's see what happens going forward. The 39,000 jobs Alberta droned on about created since January had nothing to do with Walker raising his right hand, but more to do with the stimulus. Now that Congress has cut it off, let's see how Walker's budget does when we it fall.

My money is on a job sag. Then what does Walker say. Hopefully Alberta won't be around to be quoted.

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Steve

8:59 am on Thursday, August 4, 2011

You're not reading very well. Lyle said jobs have been leaving since the 1980, yet a 3% unemployment in 2000. Fast forward to a liberal gov who chased business straight out of the state and you have 7.9% unemployment.

Stimulus huh. That one two years ago that did do anything is not suddenly creating 39K jobs in WI.

Walker has drastically changed the feel of Wisconsin. He is making it friendly and welcoming to business again, we are not vilifying them anymore. Meanwhile democrat hostage controlled Illinois continues to pass higher taxes, more regulation and more fees. Business are running out of that state. They also received a much larger amount of stimulus money..... so yeah... where are their jobs?

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carolo

1:30 am on Friday, August 5, 2011

Sorry but people from "outside the State" can not sign recall petitions. I saw buses of Tea Partiers that drove in on buses. Guess you didn't see them, huh?

Bonnie Pedraza

5:31 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Well, Alberta's choices are not painful for her wealthy supporters, just to those who can least afford them! I think shared sacrifice would be more tolerable, and a better, fairer way to work on the budget.

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The prosser-cuter

6:10 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

@Bonnie - Most people in the private sector have already sufferred. The only ones who have felt no pain are the heavily unionized government employees. Now they are sharing in the sacrifice. I'm guessing you feel property tax payers should continue to pay higher and higher taxes every year so public employees can continue to have outlandish benefit packages that very few others get or can afford. I for one am getting tired of hearing about all of these wealthy supporters. We have very few wealthy people in Wisconsin. I'm also tired of this working families crap the democrats are spewing. That implies that people who are not teachers or do not work for the government are not working families.

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Lyle Ruble

6:38 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

@The prosser-cuter...Just to set the record straight; there are a lot of wealthy people in Wisconsin. However, a fairly good number of the wealthiest have assets that are tired up in farms and agricultural production. However, that does not mean they have liquid assets. Property taxes hit this group pretty hard depending how the land is held.

If you look into who contributes to the Republicans, it is the higher income people by and large. In general the Democrats have more contributors but they contribute less per capita.

The mistake you have made is to think that government workers haven't suffered before Walker's BRB. I can't speak to the teachers but I can for other state employees. They have traditionally lagged behind the private sector by as much as 20% but with the benefit packages they were evenly compensated, plus the addition of job security.

The Democrats have traditionally represented the working classes, but not all working class and middle class are Democrats. Many working class people are Republicans because they are social conservatives and the Democrats tend to be social liberals.

I would estimate that political affiliation is more of a family and SES thing. My father was a staunch Eisenhower Republican and white collar management. I grew up in that environment but when I left home I left Republicanism behind.

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Aldo Raine

6:36 am on Thursday, August 4, 2011

Thanks prosser-cuter for pointing this out. So what you are saying the money being poured into this race is coming from out of state millionaires. Hmmm. I wonder what they want?

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carolo

1:45 am on Friday, August 5, 2011

Steve....So why are the jobs coming back after the democrats are out? WI had a historic low unemployment rate of 3% in 2000. In 2010 it was 7.5%.

Gee......guess who was running the show from 2000-2008? A Republican! The same Republican that had 58,000 factory jobs leave the US.

Fred Cannon

6:02 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

The people of the 8th Senate District recalled Sen Darling because she stopped representing them. That should be enough for any recall.

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The prosser-cuter

6:19 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

@Fred - I guess when all these dems start raising our taxes, we should recall them! Afterall, they wouldn't be representing the majority of taxpayers who want no increase.
These recalls are stupid and the laws should be changed. There is no reason to recall a politician for doing their job. If there is misconduct in office, that is a different story.

The prosser-cuter

6:13 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Is there a democrat with a plan? What should have been cut? What would you cut to balance the budget? What is your plan (outside of more taxation) to create jobs and balance the budget? Not one of these recall candidates or their supporters have offered up an alternative!

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Craig

6:52 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

With the past elections being close, I guess we should get used to recalls. Where does that fit into the buget? Maybe it is time to have elections every 6 months- that should assure nothing gets done- ever!
Have people become whining babies, moronic idiots, or just plain crazy?
WE (more than 50%) voted for fiscal change here in the State, when something is finally done to fix the problem- all the jackwagons come out from under their rocks.

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Aldo Raine

6:40 am on Thursday, August 4, 2011

Are we in whine country? Don't like the recalls. Tough. You could call your own, that's your right, but we saw how that is fizzling with the GOP. They had to hire people to go door to door. Did you pipe up with Citizen's for Responsible Government wanted to recall county executive Tom Ament over the pension scandal, or did you think that the voters spoke in this case?

That's basically the sum total of Darling's presentation yesterday in Meno Falls. Whining and playing the victim.

Fred Cannon

10:18 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

I don't know anyone who wants to pay taxes. If you can get the signatures recall them all. Good luck! I think you'll find people don't want to pay taxes but they know the revenue and the programs it funds are necessary.

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The prosser-cuter

10:51 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011

@Fred - I didn't say pay taxes, I said raise taxes. We are taxed high enough! That is why republicans won the last elections.

Aldo Raine

4:43 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011

To save their behinds, the recalled GOP senators, Alberta in particular, have been running on this 39,000 jobs created since January claim.

Would someone kindly tell us what exactly did Walker do to create those 39,000 jobs

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Gofaq Uurslf

5:50 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011

I'd like to hear Sandy run on helping Doyle the Clown lose over ten times that amount in jobs through tax hikes and entitlements.

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Lyle Ruble

6:03 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011

@Nate Reloaded...Is this Menominee Falls Nate? Anyway, what part of depression don't you understand?

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Aldo Raine

6:47 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011

That still doesn't answer the question. What exactly did Walker do that led to the creation of 39,000 jobs? He's the governor now, not Doyle and stop the presses, not every Democrat was crazy about Doyle the same way you guys are rapt over Walker.

Any one got an answer for that?

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Gofaq Uurslf

6:57 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011

Yes Lyle, and its Menomonee, as in me-no-monee, get it? So what about a depression are we getting at?

Craig

8:07 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011

Raine man: Haven't you heard? Walker gave tax breaks to rich Corporations at the cost of educating our kids. Seems those tax breaks HAVE created jobs. Not seasonal jobs either, the numbers are for real full time jobs. These same numbers are what BO uses when he claims we are making 'progress' as a nation. In July, our 'progress' as a nation was mostly progress from Wisconsin.
I think Obumer should send Walker and invitation to be our job czar!

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Craig

9:52 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011

@Lyle: Your comment to Nate: Anyway, what part of depression don't you understand?
I am just curious about your take on this issue...is this a depression in your opinion?
Or do you think the depression is coming?
Was today the start of the W effect? (double dip recession and market crash)
I ask because I am curious of your thoughts on this issue. I have been fearing the W effect for over a year, it has been my opinion that it would be much much worse than 2009.
Given the issues we have with our Nation's Debt, how can we handle a depression on top of that?
I just realized this belongs in your blog.

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The prosser-cuter

10:55 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011

Remember who issued death threats against senators: Remember who occupied and shut down the capitol; remember who bullied and intimidated businesses; remember who staged mock funerals; remember who protested the special olympic ceromonies. Remember who left the state and stopped representing the people they were elected to serve! Then remember who fixed our budget deficit, who gave our schools and government entities the tools to get them in the best shape they have been in for several years. Remeber who is trying to protect the integrity of our elections through voter ID. Remember who balanced a 3.6 billion dollar inherited deficit without raising taxes. Remember who put a cap on your property taxes. Remember who has improved the business (jobs) climate in this state in only 7 months. While I know all of these elections are becoming a hassle, it is important that you and everyone you know get to the polls on Tuesday to support Alberta Darling and the other republican senators. We can't afford to reward the bad behavior of the democrats, and undo all of the positive momentum created by Governor Walker and the republican majority.

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The prosser-cuter

8:37 pm on Friday, August 5, 2011

You mean like the constant barrage Sandy's commercials stating that Alberta wants to end Medicare? Real relevant since that is a federal issue. One thing is for sure, Sandy will have lots of time to plan block parties and eat ribs beginning Wednesday! Unless of course she is asking for a recount.

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