It didn't seem to bother you that Obama hung out with terrorist bombers and bigoted clergy.

Bren did you know Obamacare cuts to Medicare are worse than Ryan's ALLEGED? Guess you'll find out when you get there, if the death panels don't get to you first.

Leave Ayn alone. The Soviets took everything her Jewish parents owned. They said, "You didn't make that."

A la Barack Obama.

@Luke...What does her parents have to do with this discussion? Her parents were part of the Russian bourgeois. Her loss of family wealth and status is her primary motivator. There are so many things wrong with Ayn Rand's philosophy that there isn't room in this thread. Anyone who is an advocate of Objectivism lives in a different reality. Needless to say, what Bren claims about Ayn, is spot on.

@Brian Dey...You're playing pretty fast and loose with the facts.

And it doesn't you that those are gross exaggerations.

I had breakfast once with Paul Ryan. By your logic (sic), that makes me a zombie eyed granny starver.

Nuitari, let's refrain from the lying when we post. Obama's $716 B from Medicare goes after the waste and fraud (like what Rick Scott did) along with overpayments. That gets plowed back into Medicare, stretching it out another eight years.

The ZEGS would also remove $716 B, which would go into (surprise) tax cuts for the obscenely rich.

Or are you in favor of waste, fraud, abuse and overpayments?

Lyle,

My comment was not a serious one.

Lyle,

How are Brian's facts wrong?

1) So big deal. Obama sat in a room with Ayers, who BTW is a professor at the Univeristy of Chicago, not a hot bed of liberalism.

2) This issue is so tiresome and a bit racist. The right wing played the same three clips of Rev. Wright over and over again, as if this is was what Obama heard for 20 years in the pews. Here's the difference. Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham and dozens of cracker preachers spew egregious vomit week after week with no ill effects. Not to mention that Wright was respected by lots of respected theologians and clergy all over Chicago of a variety of faiths.

I wish you guys would stick to real issues instead of taking things out of context, puffing them up and them playing drama queen. Worse, the media you hate so much plays along. What a bunch of ingrates.

Keith,

1. He didn't just sit in the room, and Ayers still says he is not sorry for what he did.

2. Just because someone else did something wrong and stupid does not make Wright right. How many people have to do evil to make evil good?

3. I wish you guys would stick to real issues instead of taking things out of context, puffing them up and them playing drama queen. Worse, the media you hate so much plays along. What a bunch of ingrates.

Be thankful we live in a Republic and not a Democracy, because if this stupid concept were put to a public vote it would pass with overwhelming numbers. Idiots like Ruble, Bren and Keif, all of whom are on some form of the gubmint teat are outnumbered by us private sector workers who create wealth.

@ Keith Schmitz "1) So big deal. Obama sat in a room with Ayers, who BTW is a professor at the Univeristy of Chicago, not a hot bed of liberalism."

Not when compared to Berkley or UW-Madison.

"I wish you guys would stick to real issues instead of taking things out of context, puffing them up and them playing drama queen."

OMG...This thread starts by attacking Paul Ryan for liking a BOOK. The left can attack for nothing, but the right has to play by a bunch of non-existent rules.

@Lyle Ruble -- In a way, I sympathize with Ayn Rand. It's hard to lose a comfortable life and social position, and the Russian bourgeoisie lost it mostly because of the excesses of the aristocracy, as happens in any revolution.

However, Objectivism is the attitude I see in many posters here: "I'm still doing all right, therefor it must be due to my innate superiority to those who aren't." Ayn was born on second base and thought she hit a double, when instead, it was her parents and grandparents who did the work to get there. You can sense her resentment when people didn't recognize her genius and she was forced to accept health from the Collective in her old age and illness.

Nuitari, the "death panels" have existed for years, insurance "appeal committees." You clearly also don't understand the difference between reduced costs from negotiated rates (ACA) and cheating seniors out of a healthier, less stressful old age (Ryan).

Brian Dey, why would things that never happened bother me?

Luke, passport bride Ayn Rand escaped the USSR. I'd say she was a lot luckier than those who lived/died under that regime. And I thought that we'd gotten over that out of context "you didn't make that" foolishness. Ah well.

Alfred, no "gubmint teat" for me!

Greg, the issue is that Paul Ryan is enamoured with a self-deifying, atheistic philosophy. The books promote the adulteress Rand's philosophy of Objectivism, which was originally called Existentialism until proud atheist Rand realized that the name was already taken. If Rand weren't such a poor writer, many more might have been beguiled by the idea of celebrating sociopathic self-superiority in her books. It was a sad day when Ryan pulled one of her screeds out of the bargain book bin at 7 Mile Fair (or his middle school's library-or the corn-cob pile in the outhouse or wherever he discovered Rand).

Randy, I suspect that the reality of a life lived in compromise and irresponsibility inspired Rand to escape into a philosophy where she could pretend her behavior had some sort of deeper meaning than shallow self-interest and satisfaction.

@Bren...Describing Ayn Rand as a sociopath is a pretty good description of her hedonistic, amoral and manipulative life. Her philosophy appeals to the basest instincts.

Bren,

I have no idea why you felt the need to tell me that Ayn was lucky to leave the county after I said that her family's possessions were stolen from them. That doesn't make it right. Non sequitur.

He is a Faux "news" parrot.

.........
Lyle Ruble

7:33 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

@Brian Dey...You're playing pretty fast and loose with the facts.

Looks like the Patch right wing is in full hysteria mode today.

Oh, and don't forget, I ran a bookstore. Wouldn't want to leave that out of your hysterical reply.

Ran?

Keith - Looks like Keith has a weak position (again) so he pulls out the unreliable race card. You can pull the race card , say maybe 50 times before it becomes stale. Speaking of stale, your bully tactics of name calling, derision and pejoratives are insipid.

But still the wooden, secretive, elitist, selfish Mitt can't push beyond the mid 40s. Hum, why is that?

And you want to reward the GOP for their obstructionism that has delayed prosperity?

Keith, he hasn't broken through because leftist hacks like you tow the party line and poo-poo everything he has to say.
Romney-"Obamacare will cost Trillions and here are the estimates to prove it"
Keith-"Oh that's just Romney. Everything will work out with Obamacare"

Romney-"Our spending needs to come under control"
Keith-"Oh that's just Romney, we just need to tax the rich more"

Romney-"We need to cut our deficits, we are 15 TRILLION in debt!"
Keith-"Oh that's just Romney. But if you want to cut the deficit, let's tax the rich more. We promise we won't just go out and spend it ;-)"

Wish you wouldn't compliment me like this Auntie. It goes to my head. Didn't realize I could move the polling numbers.

Ever think that people can't warm up to the idea that an entitled billionaire wants to make himself richer at our expense. What the hell is wrong with us?

It's not just you Keith, you are just one of many drones.

You commented "Ever think that people can't warm up to the idea that an entitled billionaire wants to make himself richer at our expense". That is the PERFECT example of what I am talking about. You have absolutely NO facts to back that up. Romney has done NOTHING to indicate his time as president would be to make himself and other "excessively rich" richer!

You and the other drones would rather whip up the hysteria rather than stick with the facts because you know you can't make a case!

@Pull my string Keith Best...How long did it take to recover from the Great Depression? Also, are you willing to go to war to recover?

Keith, are you for real, or are you a talking doll that spouts GOP talking points when the string is pulled. Doing what Bush did four years ago and back will not bring back prosperity. It will do the opposite.

Again, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, like we have for the past 30 years, and expect the same result.

Schmitzy and Ruble---Where is the budget from Democrats? What is the plan to save Medicare? What is your plan? Since you guys aren't able to give us anything but we don't like the Romney/ Ryan plan, you become irrelevant. It's not even worth my time to answer you back.

Uh hum Lyle, We are at war.

Get sober or get spell check.

Why not start in your little section of the state and pay back the loan you pushed for from the village of Shorewood? What kind of horrible human being are you to take out a loan and not pay it back?

Nice Keith,

"And it doesn't you that those are gross exaggerations.

I had breakfast once with Paul Ryan. By your logic (sic), that makes me a zombie eyed granny starver."

No it makes you a drunk deadbeat

Oh the bookstore antiabortion mom. When you cretins run out of things to say, there's the bookstore.

So where did you pop up from? You are new to our little family. The fact that you are armed with the bookstore nonsense indicates you are supplementing your business of making jewelry out of Cheerios by being paid to post.

Keith, the fact that you come in and out of reality is quite amusing..

I love the smell of beer drinking slobs in the morning.

That's a lousy excuse for passing out in the restroom and escaping notice before they locked up for the evening, Keith. But if it's good enough for your SO, who am I to quibble...

I only wish for people like you there would be mental health benefits in the ACA.

Keif, It does. And lucky for you, they include Substance Abuse.

Tommy ; is concerned with lies. Think Not. Just propaganda biases stimulates his little grey cells.
Remember Ryan spewed these distorted myths. Ask him to clarify his stance on theses two myths he continuously goes about spewing.
1] “Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt. These are indisputable facts.” [T]he possibility of Medicare going bankrupt is — and historically has been — greatly exaggerated. In fact, if no changes are made, Medicare would still be able to meet 88 percent of its obligations in 2085. Social Security is fully funded for another two decades and could pay 75 percent of its benefits thereafter. There is also an easy way to ensure the program’s long-term solvency without large changes or cuts to benefits.
2 “The vice president was in charge of overseeing this. $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups.” Multiple reviews, including an independent review of all Department Of Energy loan programs by Herb Allison –- finance chair for McCain for President 2008 –- have found no “pork” in the stimulus’ funding of green projects, concluding that the loans were not steered to friends or family, as Ryan claims.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-provided-90-billion/ Pulitzer Awarded site.
Fairy tales and Myths of the republicans story book.

Who wrote that last run-on sentence for you? Sarah Palin?

I think we could find $716 B just from Rick Scott's corrupt company. Why isn't he in prison with Karl Rove and Scott Jensen? Thought you guys were law and order people?

Having a bad day? Guess so since the pick of the ZEGS Ayn Rand Fanboy has been laying a huge egg. Take your anger and division back to Chicago, where people are angry and divisive.

The lefts newest attack on Romney is that the word "Chicago" is racist.

According to some guy who used to work for MTV and VH1, which gives him all the qualifications necessary to play the part of a knowledgable pundit on MSNBC, "angry" is the new n-word. Which is why Keith has glommed onto it and why AWD will probably be crawling out of his skin in short order.

I was wondering what was going on, thanks Bob.

I fired -up the googler machine and found the clip. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-toure-to-panel-romney-engaging-in-the-niggerization-of-obama/

Can white people say ‘Niggerization’ or is that another "N" word thing?

Eric, check out this link: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/04/audio-surfaces-paul-ryans-effusive-love-ayn-rand/51711/

Read the Atlantic Wire article, then click on the link in the first paragraph, "posting the audio of his address", read that article, then hear Ryan gush over atheist/adulteress/passport bride Ayn Rand's philosophies for yourself (audio link at the bottom).

Having studied and rejected most "isms" by my mid-teens, it's difficult to understand Ryan's lack of sophistication and gullibility in falling for Rand's one-dimensional, self-apologizing foolishness. And this guy wants to be our next vice president. Yikes.

No we can't because Patch needs the revenue it generates. And he's from Shorewood.

Why is he so angry exactly, carpetbagger Pasch won the primary, didn't she?

It's easy to turn them off, just don't scroll down past the article.

Personaly responsibility FTW

elizabeth, I enjoy the tosa commentary, to be honest. I like to imagine the comments being furiously thumbed on a cell phone from the comfort of a Lazy Boy or school bus seat, or perhaps thoughtfully tapped out from a Fortune 500 CEO's iPad during the limo ride to a multi-million dollar deal. ; )

And Capitalism, unregulated, got us 2008.

Wrong Vivian Wrong. What got us 2008 was subprime mortgages going to people that could not afford them.pushed by Democrats. When Republicans wanted oversite on Fannie May and Freddie Mac, Congresswoman Maxine Waters and others claimed it was a "verbal lynching" of the directors who were black. Franklin Raines was one. Maybe it's time you anti-capitalists learned some correct history.

Wrong, Keith Best. Those subprime mortgages would not have been issued if they had not been profitable for someone, even in the event of a default. Banks issued them, bundled them, and sold them to investors, who then were the ones to lose their money.

May I also point out that many people would not have defaulted on their mortgages if they hadn't lost their jobs to outsourcing.

Wrong Randy Wrong!

The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 FORCED banking institutions to lend across all segments of society Many of these were people who couldn't afford the homes they bought. In addition, the demand for housing went up faster than the supply which led to higher costs for housing and the housing bubble.

Had the Carter administration focused on ways to get people into houses under pre-1977 laws, the bubble might not have happened and many families would not be under water today

Tim you are hilarious! Where are you performing this weekend?

It's just a poll. When Rassmussen shows Obama up all of the crying ends. The Ryan announcement was enough for a WI bump, but Obama and Biden keep digging holes. What do you expect.

Greg - When the Republican biased Rasmussen poll shows Obama slightly ahead, all the crying starts for the Tea Party, because that means Obama is out of sight ahead. With Romney and Ryan stepping on each other's positions and on their own positions from the past, all Obama and Biden have to do is remain true to themselves.

oak creek resident - I don't get Redneck World magazine, perhaps you could fill us in from one of your trusted news sources..

oak creek, Rasmussen is a feel-good pollster for the GOP. I tend to take the polls and average the results.

And I have to say, if you have to call someone a name that denigrates their intelligence, at least make sure your spelling, grammar, and punctuation are correct to demonstrate your superior intellect and skills:

"Suc[sic] a dolt you are."

Thank you for the chuckle! ; )

Daniel S. - The first decade of this century is being called the "lost decade". That was Bush and his policies. We are recovering from a deep and almost fatal wound. Recovery from the Great Recession takes a while, particularly when the opposing party does not want to see you succeed. They would rather see the country suffer than reach across the aisle and work together.

Here's what Hope and Smoke looks like:

-Saved U.S. Economy from going over the cliff
-Saved GM and a million directly and indirectly related jobs
-Enacted ACA
-Deporting record numbers of illegal aliens
-Oversaw elimination of Osama bin Laden
-Drawing down the GW Bush unfunded war in Afghanistan

That's more accomplished for the American people in one term than a number of presidents manage in two. I'm more interested in seeing what Obama/Biden can accomplish in a second term than Romney and his entitlement mentality and Ryan and his obsession with atheist/adulteress/passport bride Ayn Rand. Romney after all is planning to hire on quite a few GW Bush advisors/cronies, which will bring back the failed policies that brought us to the brink of economic disaster. Added to that is the atheist-fueled, self-aggrandizement that Paul Ryan brings to the GOP table.

No. Thank. You.

That socialist rag The Financial Times calls Paul Ryan's budget "not credible" http://ht.ly/d3FXo

Giving the GOP another whack at screwing up the economy is insane. America should be smart enough than to reward these economic traitors who slowed the economy and pushed back opportunity for millions of families.

What makes you think the Munster Ticket would do anything different than Bush did up to 2008, except to funnel more of our money into the pockets of the obscenely rich and into overseas accounts?

Too bad many of you are intent to vote like suckers.

Daniel S; Obama had only 6 months of House control. Rest of the time republicans were setting new records for no, no, no leadership.
Obama has taken a page from 1929’s depression and studied Eccles economics that got them out of the depression.
Observe the markets of Sept.6 2012. Banker’s lobbied with over $200 million! to stop the Obama, Elizabeth Warren and Frank Dodds regulations from being implemented. {Volcker Rule 2010 May} Republicans are still seeking to deregulate them.
Stimulus plan to revitalize the middle class produced a beneficial return on investment. Impressive recovery in the equity markets from Bush’s stock markets lost of 14 years of gains. Markets had retraced the lows back to 1996 in less than 17 months. Greatest lost ,in market value, in our Nations history.Including any rolling 17 month period during the Great Depression.
Obama’s actions helped restore equity markets post a gain of 105% through April of 2011. During Obama’s first 27 months in office.
Making up most of the losses with gains to the DOW of 17.2%, S&P 500 25.3% and the NASDAQ 31.7%. Compare this to say Reagan first 3.3 years in office Reagan’s gains to ; DOW 6.86%, S&P 500 6.16%, NASDAQ 7.02%. Obama has surpassed most of his predecessors, including Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan!
Stimulus stopped decline in corporate profits that started under George W. Bush. Stimulus helped produce an increase of 22% per year in the first two years.

Keith is spot on.
Romney/ Ryan have exposed their colors. Color of austerity. Same one’s that promoted double dip recessions in Europe. Demanding for the middle class to make more sacrifices as the austere of their existence is suffered. All the while the elitist lavishly devour the fruits of the laborers’.
Example of republican’s “Austerity” policies . Outsourcing! Add that lost revenue plus the $5 Trillion they want to cut in taxes, mostly from the top of the pyramid as the lower will receive the least amount of tax cuts. PLUS Romney‘s $2 Trillion for their war chest {Military Complex- guess who owns them?} How will that affect the 80% of us; as consumers evaporate and jobs disappear.
Greece as one example of Austerity and their results. Cut jobs and cut consumers as the republicans seek. Manufacturing, domestic services and agriculture lose their laborers’/ consumers. Machines and agriculture fields lay idle. No consumers!
Ryan’s budget would result in 4.1 million lost jobs in 2 years. Ryan’s budget calls for massive reductions in government spending. He has proposed cutting discretionary programs by about $120 billion over the next two years and mandatory programs by $284 billion, which, the Economic Policy Institute projected, would suck demand out of the economy and “reduce employment by 1.3 million jobs in fiscal 2013 and 2.8 million jobs in fiscal 2014, relative to current budget policies.”

http://bedford-nh.patch.com/articles/letter-m...

5 Facts About the Massachusetts Economy Under Mitt Romney

1) Ranked 47th in job growth

2) Suffered the second-largest labor force decline in the nation

3) Lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs

4) Experienced “below average” economic growth and was “often near the bottom”

5) Piled on more debt than any other state

http://www.nationofchange.org/5-facts-about-m...
Thought we should remember Romney’s record, as governor. Only one we can actually see as he will not show his records. Hmmmm…. Romney + Ryan = Disaster!

Then he's nuts.

@pull my string Keith Best...You don't seem to know Bowles very well. He has always been known as a centrist. You're also spinning his quote and he didn't say he supported the content of the Ryan Plan and agreed that the nation can't keep on with the deficit spending. Google Erskine Bowles and read the full quote.

Keith B ; Simulates Ryan’s methods of spinning fairy tails and myths from a nugget of truth until it is no longer recognizable. Sorta like these two Ryan likes to spew.
1] Ryan says-“[Unemployment is rising] all around America.” In August, the unemployment rate dropped from a year before in 325 of 372 metro areas surveyed by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
2] Ryan says- “The average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world is 25 percent, and the president wants the top effective tax rate on successful small businesses to go above 40 percent.” The U.S. is raising historically low amounts of revenue from the corporate income tax, and it already has the second lowest effective corporate tax rate in the world. U.S. corporations are taxed less than their foreign rivals, and the U.S. effective corporate tax rate is low compared to other developed economies.

Based on pure politics -- http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/08/16/three_maps_that_explain_the_artur_davis_switch.html

Nah, just a man that votes his mind, time and again, even when he is too far out from his base and party. Sort like what happened to Ronald Reagan, but leaning hard in the opposite direction.

Nice to see that David Weigel finally endorses voter ID. (See bottom of the article.)

@ Luke....Arthur Davis is also the only member of the Black Caucus that didn't support ACA and became isolated from the Democratic Party. He has never been what I would call someone of the political left. He did represent Obama's position as being a centrist. I don't see this as any major event knowing the man's history and politics.

After 30 plus years of studying politics, I am saddened at how politically ignorant most Americans are. ; -- but after becoming rather obsessed with the TRUTH, studying became easier - and discouraging!!
When Obamacare was put into effect, our Medigap payments went up 33%%, our Medicare payments to our doctors went down, and Medigap no longer picks up the balance that Medicare doesn't pay!!! To top it all off one of our docttors left the practice!!! The reason became quite clear when I recently found out that $716 BILLION dollars had been siphoned off Medicare to begin Obamacare.
The followng information items should be msut research for all Americans:
Loook Up:
Americans for Tax Reform: The Article "OBAMACARE's first birthday commemorates twenty-one (21) new or higher taxes" and
The Heritage Foundation: "Ten Myths of Ryan's House Budget Plan"
Web Memo #3253
In view of the information in the above two reports -- we are not only voting for Mitt Romney Chief Executive Officer and Paul Ryan Chief Operating Officer of the USA:
we decided that the Anti-American flavor of the Democratic Communist Party USA is NOT what we want for our children, grandchildren, and great- grandchildren's futures!!!

I am glad to see that you came to the proper conclusion, but it took you 30+ years?

Now we have Jam Larsen rambling about with half truths. Kinda like all of these right wingers. Simply observe all of the other civilized world that has had Health Care for years and their Health Care dropped to fractions of what ours cost. All because of short sighted sheep like Jamy. We just keep going around and around in the same circle. Presently 45,000 per year dying due to lack of health care in the USA. {Harvard Study 2009} Here is a couple of examples of how they spin their fodder for their sheep. 1]Ryan said-“7.4 million seniors are projected to lose their current Medicare Advantage coverage they have. That’s a $3,200 benefit cut.” Enrollment is actually projected to increase by 11 percent in Medicare Advantage (MA) in 2013. Since the Affordable Care Act was enacted in 2010, Medicare Advantage premiums have decreased an average of 10 percent and enrollment in these plans has increased 28 percent. 2] Ryan said- “This [Medicare premium support] plan that’s bipartisan. It’s a plan I put together with a prominent Democrat senator from Oregon.” Wyden not only voted against Ryan’s budget, he also called the idea that he supported it “nonsense.” Just like the nonsense Craig and Jamy want us to buy. Bunch of nothing for their solutions. Just same old, same old circle... Monoplized Health insurances are provided for the elite and austerity for the rest of our nation. LOL 47% make room fo another 43% to join you, {IF} Romney/Ryan get in..